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[Robert Layne]

Facebook chat continued today:

Robert Layne HAC the Cass Sunstein stuff is nonsense. Anyone who knows who he is would laugh at the idea Hadding was working for him.While I do enjoy some of your writing HAC you do often descend into LaRouchey style silliness.

Robert Layne BTW Hadding I don't care for people who run to the enemy court system because someone said something that hurt their feelings.

Robert Layne In a way I can understand the anonymity (which in reality doesn't exist,you'd be shocked at what computer forensics can recover - a word to the wise) ; The Iron Heel doesn't play nicely, does it ?

Hadding Scott Rob, we are back to the point that you don't care if somebody lies all the time. Will Williams' libel suit wasn't about hurt feelings. You can hurt somebody's feelings with a truthful criticism, but that is not what Covington was doing. It ...was about gigantic lies that Covington had been telling for years, sowing dissension in organizations whose purpose I assume you approve. The issue was really much bigger than Williams vs. Covington. There were at least half a dozen other people that were pleased that somebody finally took Covington to task, including Tom Metzger, of whom, if I recall correctly, you are a fan. Metzger has challenged Covington to a duel over the continuing libel that he has had to endure, just last year. I think a libel suit is preferable to a duel as a method of settling such matters, if you can manage it. Covington's ostensible disdain for the legal system only extends to applications of it that work against him: if this government that Covington calls illegitimate weren't maintaining law and order and protecting Covington's fat arse, he would have been killed by one of his victims decades ago.

Victoria Collins I support the US constitution fully, I am not publicly joining anything that advocates the overthrow of anything, unless someone would like to explain that to me further, I am open to learn more about it. Other than that I agree with 80% of what they say on NF.

Hadding Scott Victoria you might find this relevant, from EdbergEdberg, a poster on VNN Forum who knew Covington in the 1980s: "It didn't take me long to see that Harold's attempt at forming a neo-Confederate Nazi group was highly suspect. He had a way of wording his agenda so that followers were admitted enemies of the government... open rebels, much like the original Confederates were. It was bold stuff, but stupid as hell, unless his purpose was to set people up. I pointed this out to the followers he had attracted, and they quickly began to see what Harold was doing. You've got to understand, these guys and myself had just seen the Feds and Jews trash the WPP, which was a legal organization. Harold was building something illegal from the get-go." http://www.vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-7495.html [Wayne Pyrzewski and Victoria Collins like this]
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EdbergEdberg was the pseudonym of my old friend Gordon Ipock, who met Ben Klassen when he visited me at the COTC headquarters back in 1988. I was Best Man in Gordon's wedding, and he was the man who took me to WV to meet Dr. William Pierce in 1991. That's quite a revealing thread from VNN from more than 6 years ago. I liked this part by EdbergEdberg because he was looking through the same historical lens that I view things:
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"In the years since I have seen Harold repeatedly attack anyone who was doing good things for our race. He spent several years attacking Ben Klassen when his COTC was white hot in the early 90s. Then during the mid-90s when the National Alliance began to make impressive strides he aimed his venom at Dr. Pierce. And the common element in both these groups was Will Williams. Will played a major role in the growth and success of both the COTC and the NA during the 90s. And for this hard work and success, Will also drew the venom of Harold Covington."

[Harold Covington]

Record of Facebook chat on Sun, Jan 16, 2011:

Harold Covington The White internet needs to start de-legitimizing and lowering the value and credibility level of ANONYMITY. We all need to adopt a personal policy of taking anything posted under a pseudonym, or where the poster is unwilling to provide any independently verifiable information about himself or his track record, with a grain of salt.

There are too many people swaggering across the internet claiming to be big authorities on White Nationalism and Movement events, bad-ass theoreticians, deep thinkers and intellectuals, mighty Skinhead Aryan warriors and God know what-all, who are in reality some weird, geeky little guy with spectacles or somebody like the Comic Book Guy in the The Simpsons

Or else they're Cognitive Dissonance operatives hired by Cass Sunstein or the ADL deliberately top spread confusion, dissension, and madness in White groups like this one. Trolls of all kinds thrive on anonymity, and we have to bring this to a halt if there is to be any hope of progress.

Wayne Pyrzewski Certainly, I think we all know it is good to use real names obviously, such as what I do. But I can understand at times people using aliases because there are groups of antis that search for the person's name and then report their account, thus getting them deleted.

Harold Covington By way of practicing what I preach, I am now looking for a picture of myself which is small enough to load for this site and also not from the "old days," which since I no longer advocate orthodox National Socialism would be misleading.

Mike Jahn Sounds to me like a fed trying to get names. Anonymity is an American right that our forefathers handed down to us. Nobody should be able to take it away.

Johann Georg Heidler Ben Franklin posted his Patriot Writings under the pseudo-name, "Poor Richard" and I believe Thomas Paine used the Names "The Patriot" and "The Farmer". Many Christian Identity Pastors also use pseudo-names to protect themselves from unwarranted attacks and harassment.

Tom Connington Every revolution is anonymous. People who want our names = feds.

Hadding Scott Harold, what does swearing off anonymity mean when nobody can find your physical location? For over a decade Will Williams has been trying to find you to serve some papers. (Which is why I maintain that your stories about receiving significant numbers of visitors are BS.) Get real. You have been in hiding for ten years so that nobody can find you, and you are going to preach to others about anonymity?

Hadding Scott By the way, there is a cash reward for anybody that gives Will Williams a tip that leads to Covington's being served. If you can't find out how to get in touch with WW let me know and I will put you in touch.

Mike Jahn What's the story behind this Hadding?

Hadding ScottCovington had been smearing Will Williams exactly the same way he smears Ben Klassen and Matt Koehl, but Will Williams sued him for libel and won. Instead of paying up or even shutting up, however, Covington kept at it, with the result that... he was found in contempt of court. Covington had to leave North Carolina to escape prosecution. (By the way, it was only after this that Covington embraced the "Northwest Imperative." Before that NC was the location of Covington's fantasy republic.) Covington was ordered to Will Williams over $100k, which with interest is over $200k. Williams wants to serve Covington some papers relating to that.

Mike Jahn And Convington has gone into hiding since?

Hadding Scott Yes.

Mike Jahn lol Ironic for a person like that to be talking about anonymity.

Hadding Scott Absolutely. A lot of Covington's preaching would be more properly directed at himself.

Mike Jahn What does the Blue - white and green flag stand for?

Hadding Scott That's Covington's make-believe Northwest Republic flag.

Mike Jahn Convington should have looked at a color wheel, blue and green don't compliment well.

Hadding Scott Yeah he probably wears stripes and plaid together too.

Hadding Scott Lesotho (one of South Africa's bantustans) also has a blue, white, and green flag.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1355354/Lesotho-flag-of

Mike Jahn LOL Lesotho flag is pretty similar, same order of colors too

Mike Jahn So what is this Republic? I believe Mr.Roberts told me about this, something to do with vikings?

Hadding Scott Well, Covington has two basic routines these days: 1, preaching about "character," and 2, complaining that nobody has a "plan" and claiming that relocating to the Northwest constitutes a plan. The idea is to secede someday.

Mike Jahn Personally my plan at jettandjahn.com is to reach out to the white youth and radicalize them through entertainment. What do you think?

Hadding Scott I think that engaging with other White people and helping them to get their minds straight makes more sense than moving to another part of the country, yes.

Mike Jahn If you keep running they'll keep following imo.

Hadding Scott Well, the premise for any successful war of secession from the United States is that the USA is basically already defunct anyway. I think this Northwest Republic fantasy is largely a way for Covington to sell novels.

Mike Jahn I spoke to someone about any potential war and we came to the conclusion that any sort of civil war would require a lot of outside support as well as public support. A small "republic" somewhere out in the woods would be a 1 day war for the US army.

Hadding Scott Jahn, yes. The American War for Independence would not have succeeded without French help. The Confederacy hoped for that kind of help and didn't get it.

LATER THE SAME DAY ON ANOTHER THREAD:

Harold Covington Can you say Cognitive Dissonance operatives? Sure you can!

Harold Covington The White internet needs to start de-legitimizing and lowering the value and credibility level of ANONYMITY. We all need to adopt a personal policy of taking anything posted under a pseudonym, or where the poster is unwilling to provide any... independently verifiable information about himself or his track record, with a grain of salt.

There are too many people swaggering across the internet claiming to be big authorities on White Nationalism and Movement events, bad-ass theoreticians, deep thinkers and intellectuals, mighty Skinhead Aryan warriors and God know what-all, who are in reality some weird, geeky little guy with spectacles or somebody like the Comic Book Guy in the The Simpsons

Or else they're Cognitive Dissonance operatives hired by Cass Sunstein or the ADL deliberately top spread confusion, dissension, and madness in White groups like this one. Trolls of all kinds thrive on anonymity, and we have to bring this to a halt if there is to be any hope of progress.

Hadding Scott Your anti-anonymity rhetoric would seem a little more convincing if you weren't in hiding for the past decade, Harold. [Wayne Pyrzewski likes this.]
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[my will to live has faded into oblivion]

"As I am writing this, a year has gone by since my beloved wife passed away on January 24, 1992. With her passing, after more than 45 years of love, loyalty and companionship, a major chapter of my life also ended, and my will to live has faded into oblivion. Even a year or two before her death I felt that my purpose In life was nearing an end, and my interests and drive were rapidly slipping away."

That explains a lot about the chaotic period of Church history from 1990-'93. I saw signs of depression in our Founder even before that. His most brilliant, inspiring work was behind him well before Henri died.

Who is selling these items?

Paul Craig Cobb is seen in a YouTube video urging boys between the ages of 11 and 17 to join the Creativity Movement.

"The Creativity Movement?" Isn't that the rump faction of Matt Hale's WCOTC that has been attacking our Creativity Alliance for a couple of years now?

Does anyone know if Craig has ever taken such a position against CA?

The Creativity Alliance promotes the Creativity religion. CA membership is restricted to adults. We do not recruit children between the ages of 11 and 17, bypassing their parents. We hope Whites of all ages will embrace Creativity, and from an early age, but we don't "recruit" children anymore than we target Skinheads or convicts. This is a stereotype imposed on us by enemies of our Church.

We can leave Mark Wilson out of the Church history, but the fact is that he was one of the four young men who attended that one session of the School for Gifted White Boys, then was appointed PM and given $90,000 -- the entire proceeds of the sale of the Church property to Dr. Pierce. That's hard to overlook. It's that $$ that Eric Hawthorne aka George Burdi started Resistance Records, the vehicle that promoted his Skinhead band RAHOWA.

What impressed Ben Klassen was money. That was his measure of "success" in a man. Those who weren't rich were seen by him as failures somehow, though most pro-White activists are idealists, not driven by materialism. The main reason he hired Victor Wolf was that he donated several thousand dollars and a $5,000 computer. That's why he hired McCarty, who drove up at their first meeting in a Lincoln Continental. That's why he wanted STANKO, who had run a multi-million dollar beef operation. That's why he courted Prescott Rathborne, who drove a new Cadillac and owned thousands of acres of wetlands in Louisiana, etc., etc. One millionaire could launch CA to new heights, but we can't be bought by him.