Sunday Morning Coming Down

[ConcernedCavalier]

It's a beautiful Sunday morning, crisp and a little chilly, and like millions of Americans (or Australians) you're on your way to church. Unfortunately you have to meet and hold services in a public park because nobody will rent to Creators — your Reverend has asked around; no dice — so your group's options are limited.

What happens once you get there?

Creativity doesn't have an especially ritualist or liturgical bent (a remnant perhaps of Founder Klassen's Mennonite upbringing) so I'm guessing that primary groups lean toward what the Christians call a 'low church' orientation, perhaps centred around a liturgy of the word — readings from the Holybooks and an accompanying sermon. Possibly reciting the Five Fundamental Beliefs or the 16 Commandments, and/or doing a little proselytising and handing out literature.

Naturally a lot depends on the particulars of one's Church primary group — there may be specific preferences for one activity over another, or some other thing. What would you yourself prefer? What does your primary group (if you have one) get up to when it meets? What activities are meet and just for a gathering of Creators?

Do give your thoughts.

[Rev.Cambeul]

You could follow my example. I live in a house that is not on the street, but rather in a park alongside a bicycle path. (Pictures are available in my Personal Gallery) I therefore do whatever I want.

You're right that as Creators we aren't ritualist types.

Like a lot of Creators, I grew up with a parent involved with the Pagan community, which I always saw as bonkers. Some of the ideas are alright, but their community is full of loonies that  make a logical mind want to run. 

I can read Tarot Cards and Runes ... but it's just a game. You don't need to be psychic. You just need to remember what every card and symbol means. Those that can't be bothered to learn instead pretend to be psychic. And in the Pagan Community, every fake psychic is embraced an idol to be worshipped. Then they tend to break off into rival squabbling groups under their divine frauds.

Christianity has some good moral aspects to it, but as Christian morals are not clear to outsiders, I didn't even know they existed when I was younger. Pagans and Creators are welcoming (as long as you're White and don't oppose us); Christians put the mental into judgemental.

As an atheist, I came to the same conclusion as Ben Klassen; political parties come and go, the non-political groups are always neo-Nazi in nature and that means they've already shot themselves in the foot. It had to be the religious route in order to take down Christianity, which with the Jew guiding it, is what's behind this mess we live in.

So, being of non-theistic nature, ritual and dogma are right out for me.

What I find best is to pick a current topic like we do here on Creator Forum and get writing. Be casual about it. Bring up the subject as a conversation.

If you have a group that are there specifically to hear you talk, then it will be a speech rather than a conversation. (There's an audio recording around here somewhere of me doing that after a Brother's death.)

I advise finishing with the Five Fundamental Beliefs, followed by a rousing RAHOWA! RAHOWA! RAHOWA!

By then, your barbeque should be ready.

That's the simplest method you can use. And with experience it's easy to build upon or alter, depending on your audience.

A Word of Warning: Over the decades, former Christians have come to Creativity looking to replace their Jesus with Ben Klassen. If you ever come across one of those loonies, just remind them that our Founder, who aren't in Heaven, doesn't give us our daily bread.

[ConcernedCavalier]

I will cop to a degree of Christian influence, which is to say that I think both ritual and — to a lesser extent — dogma have their place. Creative rituals (reciting the 5FB, child dedication, confirmation, etc) are certainly not baroque pageants but they still serve the essential functions of ritual, which are to bind communities together collectively and individually as well as actualising their beliefs on this material plane as opposed to keeping them purely theoretical. We can and do find a middle ground between austerity and excess in our liturgical life IMO.

When it comes to dogma, well, we certainly do have that — the Holybooks are fairly substantial tomes and we even have more than one, which many religions do not. I think a healthy reverence for NER, the WMB, et al is frankly essential; it connects us to our roots, keeps us from getting too big for our britches, and lays out the why and wherefore for everything Creativity does in a quest to save the White Race. Founder Klassen was no Jesus but he was still smarter than the average bear, and I think if we stick closely to the Holybooks (not always easy!) we won't be able to go far wrong. Perhaps that's a dogmatic attitude but I'd always rather err on that side when push comes to shove.

A barbecue sounds like a delightful addition to any gathering of Creators, at least during the summer, so I'll have to keep that in mind! It'll be just as well if we're meeting in a public park to begin with; all we'd have to do is bring a grill... and anyways people with full stomachs are always more receptive to sermons.