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« on: 21 July 2013 at 19:01 »
Ben Klassen has given us a good general overview of Christinsanity, covering its suicidal teachings, its not very well put together fables, and puts forward the argument that before we can straighten out the thinking of our fellow White men and women, we have to smash this suicidal Jewish mind poison if we ever hope to rally our people towards the survival of our White race.

When promoting Creativity out there in the real world, you will come across people who will challenge you with questions on Xtianity not covered by Klassen.  Don't waste your time with Bible thumpers, they are hopeless.  However, for those who you think can listen to reason, the following website is a good source for helping them understand not only Jesus never existed, the history of the Xtian church(s) is filled with fraud and deceit.

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Re: Jesus Never Existed
« Reply #1 on: 22 July 2013 at 00:05 »
The thing is there are various Christian Churches. I don't know if you can tar them all with the same brush?
 
*The Catholic church got the $ to build the Vatican by selling "indulgences"or "tickets to heaven" to people in Europe. Martin Luther made a printing press to make anti Catholic propaganda against them.
*The Anglican Church started with King Henry the VIII. The Catholic Church didn't want him having so many wives (and excecuting them) so he caused a stir by breaking away from Catholicism. This guy even kicked Cardinal Wolsley out of Hampton Court palace and occupied it for himself.
 
These are examples of traditionalist churches and yes you could argue they have corrupt origins.
There are other churches like Hill song church who claim they teach the Bible from the book and nothing else and are not traditional in any sense.
Me personally I only have a problem with Muslims and Judaism. If some one wants to be Christian and they don't bully people with their views that is their choice. You can talk to them about what we believe and our goals, however if they don't choose to take what we think on board.. IT IS THEIR CHOICE.
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Re: Jesus Never Existed
« Reply #2 on: 22 July 2013 at 00:58 »
'I don't know if you can tar them all with the same brush?'

They all believe that their great 'Saviour' was a Jew from the middle-east who was crucified and rose from the dead, don't they?

That's tar enough for my liking.

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« Reply #3 on: 22 July 2013 at 08:53 »
  You can talk to them about what we believe and our goals, however if they don't choose to take what we think on board.. IT IS THEIR CHOICE.

Of course it is their choice, that is why I wrote above that if a Xtian refuse to listen to reason, move on.   There are plenty of other people out there who are.  In the latest Pew Research poll on religion in America, the fastest growing segment are the "nones," those who are either atheist, agnostic, or have no religion at around 20%.  The percentage is far higher among those under the age of 30.  Xtianity is a dying religion among our people.





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« Reply #4 on: 22 July 2013 at 14:37 »
Whilst logical to assume that the figure of Christ was entirely fictional, nonetheless if he DID exist he would have been a typical hebe with the Skull-cap, ringlets & an attitude of jewish supremacism, remember always his pitch was to the "Children of Israel" and not to the gentiles.
 
That the jews succeeded in "selling" their golem to the Romans and white people ever since most likely confirms their inherent nature as Snake oil salesmen!
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Re: Jesus Never Existed
« Reply #5 on: 22 July 2013 at 20:23 »
There will be another thread appearing, titled, Jesus Was Caesar, where I will present Francisco Corotta's book. 

http://www.carotta.de/eindex.html

http://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/esumma.html

The Jews did not create the magical kike on the stick out of thin air.  They stole the cult of Julius Caesar and turned it into what we know today as  Christinsanity. 
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Re: Jesus Never Existed
« Reply #6 on: 23 July 2013 at 00:59 »


They all believe that their great 'Saviour' was a Jew from the middle-east who was crucified and rose from the dead, don't they?



Ever met a Jew that owned nothing but a robe and sandals and cared for nothing else material? He hated what the Jews did he went into their temples of greed and turned them upside down in an angry fit. He seemed to be out trying to help people and his teachings were non profit.
 

Christians believe Mary was a virgin and Jesus was placed in her by divine powers, it is debateable weather Jesus was a Jew as we know Jews today.

The thing is the Bible is full of "up in the sky" stories. like Genesis. I don't personally believe that the entire world's population  was spawned by just 2 people! Then there were people called "Nephlim" who could have been giants or Aliens or divine entities who apparently bread with the people and cheesed God off that much he made a flood to whipe them out.

Yes , Christianity has some up in the sky concepts... but to be fair so do a lot of European Pagan religeons too.

How many people these days believe thunder is made from Vulcan hitting a hammer in a Volcano? How many people really believe that Thor rides across the sky in a chariot pulled by goats?

 
The thing that is undeniable is that western colonies and civilisation seemed to progress with Christianity.
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« Reply #7 on: 23 July 2013 at 01:39 »
  The thing that is undeniable is that western colonies and civilisation seemed to progress with Christianity.

Isn't it possible that Western civilization progressed in spite of Xtianity?  Are we forgetting that when Xtianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire, Western Civilization went through a 1,000 year period known as the dark ages?
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« Reply #8 on: 23 July 2013 at 01:45 »
We want to answer once and for all the question: Can Christianity help build a White racial movement (any White racial movement) or is it part of the problem?

In answering this question I am reminded of a country preacher who flatly stated that, "A religion without a hell ain't worth a damn." We CREATORS do not make any pretense of being without bias, and do not particularly agree with that assessment. Instead, we flatly state that:  Any White racial movement that fails to confront and expose Judaic Christianity isn't worth a damn.

We further state that taking unreconstructed, "born again" Christians into our movement is not only counterproductive, but creates dissention and anarchy in our ranks; that Christianity is not just a problem among many, but is basically THE PROBLEM that has crippled the White Man's mind through the ages and prevented the White Race from ever developing a strong White Racial Religion of its own; that it is the most powerful weapon the Jew has forged throughout the ages in getting a grip on the White Man's mind and channeling it down the road to self destruction and genocide.

We further state that Christianity is the Jew's Maginot Line; that it must be cracked before we can get to the enemy and destroy him. (The French Maginot Line was breached and outflanked.) We further state that Christianity and the survival of the White Race are incompatible.  Either one or the other will survive, but not both.


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« Reply #9 on: 23 July 2013 at 02:10 »
O.K I think Christianity did play a role in helping Australia adopt a white Australia policy.
 
 The Chinese 2 legged worker ant people came and undermined the colony by working in teams during the Gold rush period, using dodgy , unscroupulous tactics and if you went to town to get items, they'd be rifaling through your gold claim.
 
The Chinese weren't Chrisitan and established Joss houses where they'd worship ancestoral spirits. The Chinese even worked on the Sabbath upsetting the Chrisitan population and because the people back then had values and morality they didn't like the fact the Chinese were undermining them on all fronts. This helped Australia form an opinion to get rid of them and establish a "White Australia policy".
 
Australia wouldn't have been the nation it became if the Chinks were still around, they got the cancer and cut it out! In a period of 120 years or so the European peoples of Australia turned it into a 1st world nation , this is something other civilised places that have a larger population, for a longer period can't boast e.g Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Kuwait etc.
 
The white peoples had a system , they had a religion they made it work.
 Now the religion here is beer and footy and no one cares about the Asian hordes screwing this place up!
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« Reply #10 on: 23 July 2013 at 09:31 »
The white peoples had a system , they had a religion they made it work.

It's not because of Christian morals that they hated the Chinks. It was White, European morals forged over thousands of years together.

The White Romans and Greeks had a system and they made it work - and that was before Christinsanity came along and destroyed their world. Without Christinsanity - which is a cunningly pacifisticly Judaised version of the late Roman religion intended to quell Jewish uprisings and keep the slaves in check ... that got out of hand - we would not have had the thousand year decline of the Dark Ages, which we only exited from around 350 years ago. Imagine where civilisation would be today, if it were not for the Christinsanity of the Dark Ages?



It doesn't matter whether it's Teutonic Odinism, Celtic Druidism, the Greco-Roman Pantheons, or Christianity not one of those religions are of any use whatsoever to the modern White man. In fact, the belief and worship of any of those or any other aerie-faerie religions is detrimental to the mental well-being of the White man; with Christianity being the more dangerous con.

Now the religion here is beer and footy and no one cares about the Asian hordes screwing this place up!

You can say that again.

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Re: Jesus Never Existed
« Reply #11 on: 24 July 2013 at 01:35 »
Ahh! the days before globalisation and UN signate treaty delcarations, the times before political correctness.

Yes it is true the European people did forge a bond amongst themselves here in a small way but there was still major  hostilities between certain groups before non whites made their presence. The Catholic Irish and the Anglican Brittish  still had issues between themselves.

The Irish were tired of being pushed around and then events like Irish tantruming in the Eureka stockade, The Kelly Gang , people of Irish ancestory hated the Brittish establishment and the contempt they had for the Irish people.

People in my own family were disliked for being Italian, they never put their hands out for welfare and worked hard and helped pioneer a large Murray river town. There was definitely Discrimination between peoples of different European nations too.

Even during more recent times where :- Hungarians, Austrians, Italians, Yugoslavs and Germans were put in Internment camps during World War II because they were worried about them undermining the nation , betraying it and sending information back to Europe.

What the Europeans hated about The Chinese primarily is they didn't stop working.. even on their Sabbath , while every one was at Church the Asians were out building a hive on their turf.
Racially they disliked them more than anyone else. The Chinese didn't have the same values as the White people did... and they still bloody don't!

What cheeses me off the most is people forget about our heritage here and now the same thing is being allowed to happen on a much grander scale than the gold rush times!

.. well they don't care as long as they can be property tycoons sell off their houses to Cashed up Chinks and live the last 20 yrs of their life fat and wealthy..with a beer can in their hands and their eyes glued to a footy game they couldn't give a damn about the Australia their kids inherit.
Nor do they care about Religeon or even the spiritual aspects of life, they got the new I-phone and a puppet show on Sunrise where the celebrities of Hollywood are in trouble over some silly issue.. and that is more important than preserving Australia!

When the people were sleeping the evil crept in!
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It doesn't matter whether it's Teutonic Odinism, Celtic Druidism, the Greco-Roman Pantheons, or Christianity not one of those religions are of any use whatsoever to the modern White man. In fact, the belief and worship of any of those or any other aerie-faerie religions is detrimental to the mental well-being of the White man; with Christianity being the more dangerous con.



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The thing is that is amazing and undeniable is that we live in a really complexed world. There is a reason for everything.

*The big fish eats the little fish, that big fish gets eaten by a shark etc.It all plays a role in a microcomos and ecosystem

* We can't see the exchange of oxygen we have with the trees when they give us oxygen,and we give them our carbon dioxide but it is there. The trees serve other roles, provide us with food and house insects and animals, give us shade and wood for building projects, items that serve as certain medicines and drugs too. Also rubber and clothing.

If the trees want water and there is a drought they'll follow the vibrations in the earth then proceed to choke out your plumbing fiercely to tap into the water system.

The trees get nutrients when the sun shines on their leaves so they create photosynthysis.
The gases , oil and minerals in the earth all serve a purpose to us.

*The water the dog piddled out  on a tree soon evaporates and goes into the clouds , then rains elsewhere.

LIFE FEEDS ON LIFE , FEEDS ON LIFE, FEEDS ON LIFE.

* How does divination work? What forces help you know about futuristic events?

*How did the Celts build Stonehenge without machines? How did they get the rocks on top of each other? Why did they drag the rocks 300kms or so from Wales to the site specifically?

*How come the moon controls the tides? Why do so many people go crazy on a full moon given the body is 80% water?

*How do crystals emit a frequency? The first radio sets were crystal sets.

*How can you contact the subconsious side to a person and Hyptnotise them or even have a conversation with them in their sleep?

*How come people regardless of religeon can either pray or work themselves into a state of meditation or trance and either act weirdly or switch off from the rest of the world?

These are just a few of the enigmatic puzzles that go around my head.
Weather it is :- Jesus, Budda, God, Angels, Demons what ever !?

I will not know, the answer is not given to us as humans! Whilst I think the White race is an elite race I can't believe we can worship ourselves as a deity! We do have a racial soul , but I think it comes from our ancestors who lived in cold places, if you don't work and build shelter, you die. Could the same be said of the Abbos and Negroes in warmer areas?
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« Reply #13 on: 27 July 2013 at 03:29 »
 Br. IanVonTurpie,

What does your last post have to do with the primary argument of this thread, the fact that the magical kike who supposedly was nailed to two cross beams of timber (a form of execution that Romans did not practice to begin with) did not exist?

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« Reply #14 on: 27 July 2013 at 04:11 »
Allright , the fact Jesus isn't featured in Roman castings or crucifiction makes the fact he never existed feasible.
Here is a book I read not too long ago, The Jesus family tomb by Simcha Jacobovici, have a look at the Wikipedia, even get hold of them book and look at the archeological ways they examine tombs of Jesus' period.
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« Reply #15 on: 27 July 2013 at 04:21 »
Allright , the fact Jesus isn't featured in Roman castings or crucifiction makes the fact he never existed feasible. Here is a book I read not too long ago, The Jesus family tomb by Simcha Jacobovici, have a look at the Wikipedia, even get hold of them book and look at the archeological ways they examine tombs of Jesus' period. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Family_Tomb

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Talpiot tomb
How wonderfully reassuring that the human imagination, which gave us the Holy Sepulchre and Golgotha, is alive and well and has taken up residence in Hollywood. Jesus, we now learn, had a son named Judah and was buried alongside Mary Magdalene, his wife, in a "family tomb" a mile or so south of the Old City. Such are the claims of film makers Simcha ("Ali G. meets Indiana Jones") Jacobovici and James ("Titanic") Cameron, with encouragement from New Testament scholar James Tabor whose own book The Jesus Dynasty promotes the "family of Jesus" notion.
The tomb from the 2nd temple period (6th century BC - 1st century AD) at East Talpiot is real enough. It was discovered in 1980, two miles south of the Holy Sepulchre site, together with ten ossuaries (stone bone boxes) in situ. The ossuaries were removed, catalogued, and basically forgotten. There are, after all, thousands of similar ossuaries and hundreds of known tombs. At some point, one of the ten bone boxes from Talpiot – an uninscribed one, left in a storage yard – was stolen. The tomb itself is now buried under an apartment block and is not open to the public.
 
 
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;This places us smack dab in The Da Vinci Code territory but is it possible that Dan Brown had at least some of it right? It requires a flight or two of fancy, but if we connect a few dots we can draw a line through history from the tomb straight to today."
– from the website "Jesus Family Tomb"
 
 Enter Jacobovici, a journalist/film maker who mines biblical history for sensational stories. Having already traced the tribe of Dan to Crete (at least to his own satisfaction) and credited the alphabet to Hebrew slaves in Egypt, the "naked archaeologist" is one of the few defenders of the authenticity of the infamous "James brother of Jesus" bone box. He has now managed to finesse said box into a "missing link" for his latest extravaganza – the family tomb of Jesus.
With breathtaking flair and audacity team Jacobovici/Cameron/Tabor take 2 + 2 and manage to produce an answer of 17. The cluster of names on the half dozen inscribed boxes from Talpiot are statistically indicative of the famous New Testament family. Sure. DNA analysis of bone fragments within the boxes show that the “Jesus – or is that Hanun? – son of Joseph” skeleton was not              related to the “Mariamne the Master” – or is that Mary and Martha? – skeleton and therefore the two must have been married. Sure.              Which means the “Judah son of Jesus” skeleton was the son of the Son of God by Mary Magdalen. Hooray, don't we all want MM to be rehabilitated? The "James ossuary" (now with a "genuine" inscription) completes the set. It has to be the very box taken from the storage yard, and its contents were once the famous brother of the even more famous messiah.
Which surely opens the way for the next blockbuster, Jurassic Jesus, in which the messiah's DNA is extracted from a bone fragment and is raised from the dead. DVD, anyone?
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