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Latin for the Modern Creator
« on: 25 July 2012 at 02:42 »
As we all know, the founder of Creativity, Ben Klassen, advocated the use of Latin as a method of unifying our race under a common language. While that is a worthwhile goal, the problem is that Latin is in fact a dead language that when put to use today is found to be so archaic that those that are highly knowledgeable on the subject of Latin frequently argue over the most basic translations.

This is further exacerbated by a plethora of dialects all purporting to be "Latin," with Classical Latin (as written by Cicero), Vulgar Latin (as spoken by ancient Roman people) and Church Latin (Dark to Middle Ages Latin as used by the Catholic Church), along with their dated and regional variations. No single version of Latin as listed above can be claimed as The Latin of choice, because each is essentially a bastardised version of the other. That's the problem.

The solution as I see it - and you are free to disagree - is to adopt a modern equivalent. Again the problem is as Founder Klassen pointed out, cultural differences. White Americans for instance do not want to learn Spanish, British and Germans feel the same about Italian, and most of Europe (wrongly) looks down upon anything Romanian as if it is somehow inferior. That leaves us with several modern International Auxiliary Languages to choose from:

Interlingua http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlingua
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Interlingua ( /ɪntərˈlɪŋɡwə/; ISO 639 language codes ia, ina) is an international auxiliary language (IAL), developed between 1937 and 1951 by the International Auxiliary Language Association (IALA). It ranks among the top three most widely used IALs (after Esperanto and perhaps Ido), and is the most widely used naturalistic IAL: in other words, its vocabulary, grammar and other characteristics are largely derived from natural languages. Interlingua was developed to combine a simple, mostly regular grammar with a vocabulary common to the widest possible range of languages, making it unusually easy to learn, at least for those whose native languages were sources of Interlingua's vocabulary and grammar. Conversely, it is used as a rapid introduction to many natural languages. Interlingua literature maintains that (written) Interlingua is comprehensible to the hundreds of millions of people who speak a Romance language, though it is actively spoken by only a few hundred.

The name Interlingua comes from the Latin words inter, meaning between, and lingua, meaning tongue or language. These morphemes are identical in Interlingua. Thus, Interlingua would be "between language", or intermediary language.

Esperanto http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto
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Esperanto was created in the late 1870s and early 1880s by Dr. Ludwig Lazarus Zamenhof, a Jewish ophthalmologist from Bialystok, then part of the Russian Empire. According to Zamenhof, he created this language to foster harmony between people from different countries.

As a constructed language, Esperanto is not genealogically related to any ethnic language. It has been described as "a language lexically predominantly Romance, morphologically intensively agglutinative, and to a certain degree isolating in character". The phonology, grammar, vocabulary, and semantics are based on the western Indo-European languages. The phonemic inventory is essentially Slavic, as is much of the semantics, while the vocabulary derives primarily from the Romance languages, with a lesser contribution from the Germanic languages and minor contributions from Slavic languages and Greek. Pragmatics and other aspects of the language not specified by Zamenhof's original documents were influenced by the native languages of early speakers, primarily Russian, Polish, German, and French.

In his work, Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler specifically mentioned Esperanto as an example of a language that would be used by an International Jewish Conspiracy once they achieved world domination.

Occidental/Interlingue http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occidental_language
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The language Occidental, later Interlingue, is a planned language created by the Balto-German naval officer and teacher Edgar de Wahl and published in 1922.

Occidental is devised so that many of its derived word forms reflect the similar forms common to a number of Western European languages, primarily those in the Romance family. This was done through application of de Wahl's rule which is a set of rules for converting verb infinitives into derived nouns and adjectives. The result is a language easy to understand at first sight for individuals acquainted with several Western European languages. Coupled with a simplified grammar, this made Occidental exceptionally popular in Europe during the 15 years before World War II, and it is believed that it was at its height the fourth most popular planned language, after Volapük, Esperanto and perhaps Ido in order of appearance.

But some have believed that its intentional emphasis on European forms coupled with a Eurocentric philosophy espoused by several of its leading lights hindered its spread elsewhere.Still, Occidental gained adherents in many nations including Asian nations. Before WWII it had grown to become the second largest international auxiliary language in numbers of adherents, after Esperanto. A majority of Ido adherents took up Occidental in place of Ido.

Occidental survived World War II, undergoing a name change to Interlingue, but faded into insignificance following the appearance of a competing naturalistic project, Interlingua, in the early 1950s.

Ido http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ido
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Ido ( /ˈiːdoʊ/) is a language created with the goal of making it become a universal second language for speakers of diverse linguistic backgrounds. Ido was specifically designed to be grammatically, orthographically, and lexicographically regular, and above all easy to learn and use. In this sense, Ido is classified as a constructed international auxiliary language.

Ido was created in 1907 out of a desire to reform perceived flaws in Esperanto, a language that had been created for the same purpose 20 years earlier. The name of the language traces its origin to the Esperanto word ido, meaning "offspring",[2] since the language is a "descendant" of Esperanto.

Ido uses the same 26 letters as the English alphabet with no diacritics. It draws its vocabulary from French, Italian, Spanish, English, German, and Russian, and is largely intelligible to those who have studied Esperanto.

Latino sine flexione http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latino_sine_flexione
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Latino sine flexione ("Latin without inflections"), or Peano’s Interlingua (abbreviated as IL), is an international auxiliary language invented by the Italian mathematician Giuseppe Peano (1858–1932) in 1903. It is a simplified version of Latin, and retains its vocabulary. It was published in the journal Revue de Mathématiques, in an article entitled De Latino Sine Flexione, Lingua Auxiliare Internationale, which explained the reason for its creation. The article argued that other auxiliary languages were unnecessary, since Latin was already established as the world’s international language. The article was written in classical Latin, but it gradually dropped its inflections until there were none.

As Creators, we are both traditionalists and revolutionaries. That being said, we Creators require a language to have its origins based as much as is practicable in the ancient forms of Latin along with a form of grammar not bogged down in ancient cultural, ritualistic, linguistic traditions totally removed from today, making it easily acceptable to the modern White person. And above all, we require that language to be a unifying language that our race will readily accept as their own.

I will not dictate our Church's choice on this matter: that is for the GFC to decide. What is important is that a consensus of the learned are able to take their proposal/or proposals to the GFC, so that we, as Creators, can move forward on the issue of a single, unifying language for our glorious race.

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Re: Latin for the Modern Creator
« Reply #1 on: 07 February 2013 at 23:44 »
I will go with the Classical Latin of Caesar because it appears to be what Ben Klassen intended and is therefore his will. I have a whole library of Classical Latin as written by Caesar, Cicero, Tacitus and Suetonius. They have been widely translated into English and published by Penguin Classics. I read them because of their clarity and simplicity. Common speech just lacks the vocabulary for intelligent discourse, reason and problem solving. This is why Science so often uses Latin terminology for words that do not really exist in the common language.
To make intelligent and correct decisions we need the vocabulary of leaders, caesars, lawyers, classical authors and writers. If we read their works we will start to think and act like them. This is one of the reasons ruling classes in England set great store on Latin as a language.


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Re: Latin for the Modern Creator
« Reply #2 on: 01 May 2013 at 09:16 »
I think we should stick with Classical (Roman) Latin.. for a multitude of reasons really.

1) It is relatively easy to source somewhere to learn it from
2) It isn't dead, and is in common use in the RC Church
3) It is an evolving language, which means that should we have the basic fundamentals down, we can add to it.. so there will be no 'interpretation' debates in the future.

Let us not forget that Latin was the language spoken by all those with needs to communicate over the whole of Europe, from Russia to Ireland, Sweden to Constantinople. 

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Re: Latin for the Modern Creator
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Whilst Latin is a base language for many other European tounges , it is  a dead language. You may as well put your efforts into a real living language such as French.
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Re: Latin for the Modern Creator
« Reply #4 on: 01 May 2013 at 14:09 »
It isn't dead, and is in common use in the RC Church

Church Latin is not Classical Latin. Don't ask me what they are, I don't know one form of Latin from another, but I've read numerous scholars say as much over the years.

But I will give an example that is a common misconception that may have developed via Church Latin:

Julius Caesar: Pronounced "JEWlius Seezar" by everybody today, was pronounced "Yoolius Kaiser" in Classical Latin. What happened was the introduction of the letter J - formerly considered the upper case i and now given a hard, modern, J sound. Also, the letter K was adopted into modern languages as the Hard C, meaning the the old C became a Soft C. That is modern Church Latin.

Whilst Latin is a base language for many other European tounges , it is  a dead language. You may as well put your efforts into a real living language such as French.

The idea of reviving Latin for the White Race as the Lingua Franca is not so we can learn some old fashioned Latin language, or even adopt a modern Latin language. It actually has nothing really to do with Latin itself other than being a proud, White, historical language. The idea is to have a common language for the White Race, where no particular group feels a grudge against another for being forced to adopt their language. At the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries, French was the language of choice for international communications. At the turn of the 21st century, it was English. Apart from the upper classes of non-French lands, most people begrudged having to learn French. It's the same now with English/American. If we were to adopt Latin once again, it would have the benefit of being neutral at least.

And BTW French is not a Latin language. It's a Germanic language that was deliberately Latinised.

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