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#51
Quote from: Br.Jim on Fri 05 Nov 2010
Kurt Saxon books are older Survivor books - some may said out of date.  Still lots of great ideas

Creators aren't anarchists and should be very careful discussing anything that has the appearance of illegality as AC does.

That said, demolition experts who have read the Anarchist's Cookbook think about it along the lines of this reviewer at Amazon Books (if not quite as paranoid as he):
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I think it's a provocation, May 4, 2010
By G. E Farr "Grayal" (Tallahassee, FL)

This review is from: The Anarchist Cookbook (Paperback)
I spent 26 years in the military, mostly Rangers and Special Forces. I attended a sabotage course taught by the "other governmantal agency" and taught a sabotage class myself for members of a classified Special Forces detachment in Europe. I can assure you all that there's a reason why the military refers to "improvised" explosives and incendiaries. Many, if not most, are obscenely unstable even if the best formulas and proceedures are followed. My SF demolitions sergeants thought the "AC" recipes were weirdly, consistently,dangerously, wrong. We never, never did things the "AC" way. Suspiciously, I find no mention of ammonium nitrate fertilizer mixed with diesel fuel. Both ingredients are highly stable, even when properly combined, yet together constitute a highly effective explosive. Both are bought by the ton in thousands of commercial agriculture operations across the world and often stored with minimal security or accountability. That was well known even back then, but there's no mention of it. Just all this unnecessarily dangerous stuff. What's all that about, if not a provocation?

The weapons stuff was weird too. For instance, "AC" kept talking about pairs of weapons that were "great teams together." To me that suggests one of two things. Maybe weapons whose capabilities complemented each other. Say, a sniper rifle and a shotgun for close-in team protection. Or a pair of weapons that shared ammunition and possibly accessories, or even allowed cross-canibalization of parts. These suggested "great teams together" seem to have been paired to negate any such synergistic benefits.

I can't address the drug formulation. I can say that I thought the "theory" stuff was lame and low-brow. "The Wretched of the Earth" this ain't. And from a practice and tactics standpoint it isn't even a "Mini-mmanual for the Urban Geurilla".

So what's up with all this? I can't help but suspect that it was written and published to flush out wannabe terrorits and get them to do stupid, dangerous things, operate in ineffective ways, and generally self-destruct beforethey could actually develop into efective terrorits in effective organizations. Who knows? Maybe we can hear from the author. For sure the dreaded Weathermen did not cause as many casualties total as they inflicted upon themselves in one botched bomb-making operation. Wonder whose recipes they were using...
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If you want to own this book get the original, not the 2002 ripoff this reviewer describes:

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Garbage Re-Print, November 3, 2010
By Jeremy D. Stillwagner

This review is from: The Anarchist Cookbook (Paperback)
I am an avid collector of controversial books both for their historical and entertainment value. Don't waste your money on The Anarchist Cookbooks sold here on Amazon. While the picture(s) may show an original one, these are actually re-prints from 2002 and a lot of the original content has been removed or edited. I am very disappointed in the misleading sales tactic.
#52
Quote from: Rev.Scott on Fri 06 Aug 2010
I would get on there and comment Rev, but I attempted to sign up at VNNF and my account was deleted without even being activated. I have the distinct feeling that somebody with power over there is either anti-Creator or at the very least, anti-CA.

Who knows? Linder has a definite bias against Creativity and most Creators. Still, someone from CA should be monitoring VNN and other boards for prospective Creators and avowed Creators who are yet unaware of our Alliance. There's just such a prospect at VNN with the username "Hilda" who posts there thoughtfully. She expresses herself well, but for some unknown reason is abused by her host, Mr. Linder, rather than encouraged. He has tended over the years to drive away the best talent attracted to VNN and showcased some of the worst characters ever to pretend to be WN. I have requested a couple of times for someone from CA to contact Hilda and invite her to visit our forum where her Creative contributions will be appreciated. This forum could use a few accomplished posters, especially female ones like Miss Hilda. How difficult is it for someone in the Alliance to join the VNN forum and PM Hilda? I'm permabanned from VNN forum so can't PM her myself.

Anyway, there are plenty of other race-oriented sites on the 'Net now that permit frank discussion of religion, and without all the potty mouthing and chaos of disruptors. Here's a new one for the more intellectually-minded race-thinker where I was allowed to provide a link back to the CA forum:
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http://www.counter-currents.com/2010/10/on-christianity/comment-page-1/#comment-2057

Will Williams
Posted October 30, 2010 at 5:52 pm

That essay by Dr. Pierce was his editorial for the monthly internal National Alliance Members BULLETIN 28 years ago. Dr. Pierce's intellectual honesty should have been apparent to anyone reading this statement:

"Any Alliance member who is also a member of a church or other Christian organization which supports racial mixing or Zionism should decide now where he stands, and he should then resign either from his church or from the Alliance."

I sure remember how that sentence grabbed me on first reading. I must have distributed hundreds of copies of that editorial to others who I thought those words by Dr. Pierce's would resonate. It was an effective Alliance recruiting tool, until, that is, The Alliance went "big tent" after Dr. Pierce's death, and the policy procribing Xianity as an opposed ideology to that of the Alliance was reversed. It was all downhill for the NA from then on. What had set it apart from the other big tent organizations was jettisoned.

You're right about Creativity, Ragnar. Check out the Creativity Alliance: https://creativityalliance.com/forum/

Hadding Scott just put up another long lost editorial by Dr. Pierce from a 1992 National Alliance Members BULLETIN here: http://noncounterproductive.blogspot.com/2010/10/perils-of-hobbyism-by-dr-william-l.html
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Now, tell me, why isn't Mr. Ragnar helping us with Alliance-building? Recruiting the strong self-starters who are already on board with us is more effective than waiting around for warm, uninformed bodies who haven't bothered to read to stumble onto us. PM Klassen called this style of head-hunting for the best of our race to become Creators taking the "high percentage shot" -- a sports metaphor.

Excellence attracts excellence. Creativity's stereotypical image as a bunch of Skinhead thugs and ex-convicts is reflective of it's unfortunate history since circumstances leading up to its Founder's death. It shouldn't be that difficult for us to shed that false image of the Creator to attract the best and brightest and most responsible of our race to their exclusive religion.

If allowed to at this Counter-Currents blog, I'll post the section of our CA Handbook that deals with Xianity as an opposed ideology. Fans of Dr. Pierce will be especially pleased to see more of his sober writing on this subject that's so vital to Creators.

It might be noteworthy to mention that the owner of the C-C site, Greg Johnson, an otherwise excellent racial observer with an exceptional blog, is a resolute fan of Harold Covington, and foolishly promotes his writings from his page, despite protests from those who know of HAC's decades-long documented history of disruption and smears, including against "Creatards," as he calls Creators. To have his C-C blog allow my post through moderation with a link to Dr. Pierce's 1992 expose of Covington as a lying fraud is a positive sign of progress for CA, to me.

#53
Yours is the voice of maturity, SCL. The Skinhead scene has been anathema for the Creativity Creed for the past two decades. You sum the problem up when you write: we would all dress up in Doc Martins with the white laces, throw on the bomber jackets, and walk around acting bad.  And then go home and do nothing else.  Several of those people that I knew are now in and out of jail, addicted to drugs and alcohol, homeless, on welfare, and generally, just as bad as the niggers and mexicans we used to harass.

Skins must mature and adapt to the standards of Creativity, not the other way around. Getting drunk, looking "bad" and harassing niggers and mexicans is a purposeless, wasted lifestyle that fits the Jew's contrived stereotype of what a Creator is.

PM Klassen was absolutely right about what's the most difficult obstacle the Creator faces: straightening out his kinsmen's thoughtless judaized, suicidal way of looking at our own race.

As far as the biggest problem our race faces, I'd say it's demographic -- OVERPOPULATION -- the spiking non-White world that is pushing the relatively shrinking White population out of our traditional, NECESSARY habitat has been calamitous, devastating our already fragile gene pool. Every other issue pales behind this one and it's racial at its core. We must have our own living space ot homeland, and we must preserve and improve our unique racial phenotype/genotype qualities. If there is a single issue we must address, it's this. Failure to reverse the demographic trend leads to our extinction. That's serious.

If I'm not mistaken, I remember that Ben Klassen wrote that the world population should be more like one billion, not six or seven or 9 billion, which is what the world's human population is projected to reach by 2050. Whites will be only a small fraction of that population if present demographic trends continue unabated.

To put it in perspective there were only around 2 and 1/2 billion humans on planet earth -- the only place the White Race has ever lived -- when I was born in 1947. It's been downhill for our race since the Jew's disastrous fratricidal World War #2. The White race lost that war. Fact!
#54
Some Creators would write Harold Covington off as no more than an entertaining soap opera, but with his decades-long smear campaign against Creativity and its Founder, Harold Covington should be viewed as the enemy.

Hadding has done a yeoman's job of thoroughly taking apart and debunking Covington's phony 75-page "A Brief History of the White Nationalist Movement," here: http://noncounterproductive.blogspot.com

A good chunk of that "brief history" is Covington's gratuitous, malicious smear of Ben Klassen, claiming he was a homosexual Jew, child rapist and murderer and that Creativity is a homosexual cult. Covington has some Xian Identity types on his side because they like to think the worst of Creativity, but some XI types know Covington is poison.

Hadding was approved by this Identity Xian forum to post his "history" debunking blog, here:

http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/forum/showthread.php?1891-Urban-Legends-of-the-White-Nationalist-Movement
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Hadding
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    Some, like Martin Lindstedt, prefer to believe that because Ben Klassen was anti-Christian he must have been a Jew. This is obviously not an adequate argument since there are many anti-Christians whom nobody suspects of being a Jew. It is important not to be self-pleasingly reckless, but to consider whether the argument that Covington offers even deserves to be taken seriously before accepting such a conclusion.

    Harold Covington Calls Ben Klassen a Jew

    Ben Klassen was a former Florida legislator who founded the Church of the Creator in 1973 and is the author of The White Man's Bible, Nature's Eternal Religion, and other books.

    The section about Klassen in A Brief History of the White Nationalist Movement is called "The Strange Case of Benny Klassen." It is essentially a very heavily re-worked version of an article from the SPLC's Intelligence Report, Summer 1999, titled "A History." "The Strange Case of Benny Klassen" retains that article's format and much of its text but incorporates smears that had been published in Harold Covington's Resistance newsletter in the early1990s.

    While the SPLC's "A History" concerns itself little with Klassen's life before the COTC, Covington's Brief History contains material, all of it defamatory, for the years 1948, 1966, and 1968. This material from the prehistory of the COTC was added to portray Klassen as a man with hidden Jewish origins. (This seems to be an adaptation of the true story of Harold Covington's own former associate, Frank Collin.)

    The most noteworthy fact about Klassen prior to founding the Church of the Creator, that in 1955 he had invented an improved form of electric can-opener, marketed as Canolectric, is not even mentioned in this so-called history. It is not an obscure fact! There are several references to Klassen's can opener in online news archives. The Hartford Courant of 8 December 1957 mentions that Canolectric was developed by Klassen Enterprises, Inc. The Miami News of 28 July 1958 contains the following note about the product:

        A new entry in the field of electric can openers is the Canolectric, made by Robbins & Myers, Inc., Memphis, Tenn., which claims that it is the only fully automatic can opener. It requires no manual piercing of the can lid or manual release of the cutting blade. You just push the button, says the firm, and that's all.


    Instead of presenting verifiable information like this about Klassen's life before the COTC, the author of the Brief History confines himself to innuendos that Klassen was a Jew and had been prosecuted for fraud, none of which is documentable. The five claims and their refutations are as follows:

    1. that Ben Klassen's origins are a great mystery, and that he has stated different dates and locations of his own birth on different occasions. Furthermore it is suggested that he may have used some other, distinctly Jewish name earlier in life, which could only be in question if his date and place of birth are unknown. No citations are given to support any of this. I found a newspaper item that somewhat addresses this alleged confusion about Klassen's origin:

        Klassen, former Republican state representative from Pompano Beach, protested vigorously when the board denied his application to register for sale Palms and Pines Ranchos, a Collier County development.

        [...]

        "I don't want to appear contentious," said Klassen. "But I have lived in four countries and I am a refugee from communism and the only nation I chose to live in was the United States. Jabbing his finger at his Constitution he continued, "I contend that when I can't sell my land due to some bureaucratic edict, my constitutional rights under the 14th Amendment have been abridge." "Board Eyes All Isolated Land Sales," from the St. Petersburg Times, 2 November 1968.



    This is consistent with what Klassen later wrote in his autobiography, Against the Evil Tide, as is evident even from the table of contents. A reporter for the Los Angeles Times had no difficulty putting the pieces together:

        Ben Klassen was born in Ukraine to German-speaking Mennonite parents. His family, described in his books as "early victims of Jewish Communism," lived briefly in Mexico and then moved to Canada, where he earned a degree in electrical engineering and a bachelor of arts. In 1945, Klassen settled in the United States and became a citizen three years later. (Sarah Henry, "Marketing Hate", Los Angeles Times, 12 December 1993.)


    2. that Klassen was indicted in 1948 along with several others (with Jewish names) for "mail fraud, bankruptcy fraud, and theft from interstate commerce by a Federal grand jury in New Orleans." The author admits however that he really knows of no such indictment when he says, "Details are sketchy." Grand jury indictments are a matter of public record, and it would have been reported in newspapers. A news archive search for 1947-1949 turns up nothing relevant.

    3. that there was a "bankruptcy fraud probe" circa 1966 involving Klassen and two partners with Jewish names in an alleged Palm Beach real estate firm. If you do a Google News Archive search on the terms Klassen and Shapiro and Weinleben you will find absolutely nothing. Likewise for "SKW Realty" in the 1950s and 60s.

    4. that Klassen's "religious affiliation is listed in the 1968 Florida State Government Who's Who as Jewish." There is no book called the Florida State Government Who's Who. There is Who's Who in Government, and there is Florida Lives: The Sunshine State Who's Who. The title that Covington gives is one that nobody will be able to find on the reference shelf of any library.

    5. that in 1968 Klassen was a member of "Jews for Wallace."

    Here is an article about a dispute between two factions of Wallace supporters, about who was really in charge of the Florida campaign. On one side, Miami realtor Thomas H. Hart, on the other side Dr. William Campbell Douglass and Ben Klassen. Douglass and Klassen were both members of the John Birch Society, which Hart apparently regarded as political poison. Since this article discusses the character and connections of the men on both sides of this dispute, you might expect "Jews for Wallace" to be mentioned, but it is not.

        Vice-chairman of Dr. Douglass' Wallace organization is Ben Klassen, a Palm Beach Republican, the only member of the Florida Legislature to identify himself as a member of the John Birch Society. ("Wallace Men Feud in Florida," by Charles F. Hesser, from The Miami News, 7 December 1967.)


    There is plenty of mention in old newspapers of Ben Klassen's involvement in the 1968 Wallace for President campaign, but no mention of "Jews for Wallace" anywhere.

        The only curve in the state's new election law is that no more than 2458 signatures can come from any one county. And there must be petitions from at least 34 different counties in the state with a minimum of 61 signatures on them. But Broward County's Wallace chairman, Ben Klassen, has said this requirement can be easily met and will actually be an aide to Wallace workers in stimulating voter action. ( Wallace Builds Election Machine in Kirk County," from the St. Petersburg Times, 18 January 1968.)



        NO. 2 man on the Wallace-For-President Committee is former Rep. Ben Klassen, a Palm Beach Republican who lost out in an attempt to move from the House to the Senate. ("Wallace Supporters In State Gear For January," St. Petersburg Times, 6 December 1967.)



    So far as I can tell, not only is there no mention in the online newspaper archives of any connection between Ben Klassen and Jews for Wallace: the organization may have never existed. It certainly doesn't turn up in a newspaper archive search for the 1960s. In a Google Web search, it only appears in the context of this smear of Ben Klassen. Anybody can prove that to himself by doing a search on this term:


    "Jews for Wallace" -Klassen


    From all the books, all the newspapers, all the articles online, you will get zero results, which implies that "Jews for Wallace" probably never existed except as a fictional element in this attack on Ben Klassen.

    Strong evidence that Covington himself invented "Jews for Wallace" can be derived through examination of how the Brief History differs from the SPLC's article. The first entry in the SPLC's chronology of the Church of the Creator, from which "The Strange Case of Benny Klassen" was rewritten, is dated 1973 and reads as follows:

        1973 Be[r]nhardt "Ben" Klassen, a former Florida state legislator and state chairman of George Wallace's 1968 presidential campaign, announces the formation of the Church of the Creator (COTC) in Lighthouse Point, Fla.


    (That happens to be slightly incorrect; Klassen was the vice-chairman for Florida and the chairman for Broward County.) In his COTC chronology, Harold Anonymous Covington has changed SPLC's sentence to this:

        1973 - Benny Klassen, a former Florida state legislator and state chairman of "Jews for Wallace" during Wallace's 1968 presidential campaign, announces the formation of the Church of the Creator (COTC) in Lighthouse Point, Fla.


    Covington, rewriting the SPLC's article, simply replaced "George" with "Jews for Wallace during" and replaced the respectful form of Klassen's name with the insulting diminutive, "Benny."* Since "Jews for Wallace" was not in Covington's source material, it is obvious that he invented it.


    Origin of the Conflict

    Klassen had a few words to say about Covington too while he was alive, although nothing so bizarre as what Covington has been promulgating about him. "The Anatomy of a Hypocrite" from the March 1989 issue of Racial Loyalty can easily be found online.

    From that essay one gets a hint of the basis of this conflict: Covington had tried to discourage Klassen from relocating to North Carolina because that was his own home state and he didn't want competition. This interpretation is confirmed in a letter written by Covington on 5 November 1992 wherein he complained that Will Williams was "trying to deliver the entire racialist movement in North Carolina to Old Benny Buttf-ck on a silver platter."

    Klassen, and Hasta Primus Will Williams, also accused Covington of tailoring his propaganda to attract Christians while being a nonbeliever and private ridiculer of Christianity himself. **

    Following publication of "The Anatomy of a Hypocrite," Covington retaliated by publishing highly imaginative libels against Ben Klassen and his right-hand man of the time, and subsequently against anybody (e.g., William Pierce, Tom Metzger) that seemed to be other than hostile toward them.

    Calling somebody that stands up for the White race a Jew is a traditional method of trying to undermine that person's support. They did it to Adolf Hitler. It wasn't true in Hitler's case (as DNA testing now confirms) and Harold Covington pretty clearly didn't have any evidence that it was true in Klassen's. It was just an unscrupulous way of attacking him, while diverting attention from criticisms of himself.

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    *Covington also does this to his younger brother Benjamin Covington for whom he seems to have considerable disdain, referring to him as Benjie.

    ** Covington's hidden contempt for Christians occasionally becomes manifest, for example in one of his novels, Hill of the Ravens, about which Martin Lindstedt complained on 22 December 2003 as follows: "I ended up asking about Covington back in 1998, when I was suspicious about being 'used' by appearing on Covington's 'Whitespeak' jewhoogruppen. Katya Lane ended up predicting, "Sooner or later you will grow tired of his lies." Well, I must have been stupid because I didn't figure out until reading Covington's latest self-published novel, "Swill of the Jayhawks" that Covington regarded Christian Identity soldiers as nothing but cannonfodder to be given third-rate sh-tizenship, if that, in Covington's 'NorthWest Republic' of covingtonistas."

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#55
Quote from: Rev.Cook on Fri 24 Sep 2010
Finally, sold !   But I think it was more out of pity  HAHA

Looking at the cover page the buyer got himself a first edition WMB. The mailing address was still Lighthouse point, Florida. It's likely that Ben Klassen handled this book himself.
 
 
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