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Title: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: N567 on Tue 09 Feb 2021
From what I have read about the developments in machines and mass production, the 1st machines, invented from 500BCE-1700, the period of the 1st Industrial Revolution, were all developed only in the great empires of Eurasia such as England, France, the Netherlands, Germany, and the Viking Empire in Western Europe, the empires of Moravia, Bulgaria, Georgia and Russia in Eastern Europe and the empires of the Islamic Caliphate, India, China, Japan, Mongolia, Tibet, Khmer, Vietnam, Burma, and Thailand in Asia. What made these Eurasians so special that they developed such advanced technology and started the Industrial Revolution while the Jews, Africans, and Native Americans remained tribal and primitive?
   
Here is a list of the important inventions:

Architecture:

Sliding Door
Folding Screen
Flying Buttress
Suspension Bridge
Drawbridge
Turning Bridge
Overpass
Louver
Smoke Canopy
Chimney
Centralized Heating
Hoist
Mechanical Elevator
Coaching Inn
National Highway
Turnpike

Construction:

Scoop Wheel Excavator

Water System:

Square Pallet Chain Pump
Water Raising Windlass
Scoop Wheel Pump

Mining:

Mine Rails
Mine Rail Wagons
Support Beams for Mine Tunnels and Shafts
Mining Explosives
Hopper System

Lighting:

Candle
Lamp
Oil Lamp
Match
Chandelier
Streetlamp
Slide Projector

Disaster Management:

Dike
Seismometer
Alarm Bell

Communication:

Paintbrush
Painting Canvas
Oil Paint
Watercolors
Parallel Line Drawer
Quill
Silverpoint
Pencil

Printing:

Stamp
Woodblock Printing
Woodblock Image Printer
Textile Printing
Porcelain Movable Type Printing
Metal Movable Type Printing
Color Printing
Paper
Paper Making Machine
Book
Bookbinding Machine
Paper Money

Telecommunications:

Zoetrope
Bell
Semaphore Flag

Timekeeping:

Solar Calendar
Water Powered Mechanical Clock
Striking Clock
Astronomical Clock
Clock Tower
Spring-Driven Mechanical Clock
Pocket Watch
Pendulum-Driven Mechanical Clock

Agriculture:

Harrow
3-Field Crop Rotation
Moldboard Plow

Devices for Controlling Draft Animals:

Stirrup
Shoulder Harness
Padded Collar
Horseshoe

Entertainment:

Water Powered Puppet Theater
Water Powered Robots

Materials/Chemicals:

Mercury
Wooden Machinery
Dye
Coal
Coal Furnace
Animal Oil
Plant Oil
Mineral Oil
Manual Oil Drill
Manual Oil Pump
Mill Powered Oil Pump
Oil Refinery
Oil Retort
Oil Drum
Natural Gas
Natural Gas Bamboo Pipes
Cast Iron
Glazing
Phosphorous

Mass Production:

Mass Produced Interchangeable Parts
Blast Furnace
Grindstone
Crank
Differential Gear
Loom
Spinning Wheel
Noodle Extruder
Kneading Machine
Noodle Screw Press
Reeling Machine
Dyed Fabrics
Assembly Line
Animal Powered Mill
Water Mill
Water Scoop Mill
Boat Mill
Ship Mill
Barge Mill
Tide Mill
Bridge Mill
Hanging Mill
Vertical Axis Wind Mill
Post Mill
Tower Mill
Paper Mill
Hammer Mill
Gristmill
Hand Hulling Mill
Hand Gristmill
Edge Mill
Hulling Mill
Vegetable and Fruit Grinder
Meat Grinder
Vegetable Grinding Mill
Fruit Grinding Mill
Meat Grinding Mill
Fulling Mill
Ore Mill
Bellow
Metal Mill
Finery Forge
Textile Mill
Sawmill
Stone Cutting Mill
Iron Mill
Forge Mill
Press Mill
Picture Mill
Printing Mill
Desalination Mill
Glass Mill
Mirror Mill
Bark Mill
Spoke Mill
Bobbin Mill
Carpet Mill
Slitting Mill
Rolling Mill
Stamp Mill
Needle Mill
Oil Mill
Tanning Mill
Hemp Mill
Cider Mill
Sugar Mill
Blade Mill
Pottery Mill
Malt Mill
Tool-Sharpening Mill
Cutting and Slitting Mill
Gunpowder Mill
Rocket Fuel Mill

Cooking Tools:

Wok
Makisu (Sushi Mat)
Hangiri (Sushi Rice Tub)
Kezuriki (Fish Meat Shaver)
Makiyakinabe (Japanese Omelette Pan)
Oroshigane (Spiked Grater)
Oshizushihako (Pressed Sushi Mold)
Shamoji (Rice Paddle)
Urokotori (Scale Remover)
Usu (Hammer and Large Pestle)
Zaru (Draining Basket)

Everyday Items:

Umbrella
Sunglasses

Hygiene:

Toothbrush
Toilet Paper
Ink Tooth Cleaner and Protective Coating

Mechanical Calculators:

Abacus
Napier's Bones
Pascaline

Mechanical Domestic Appliances:

Coal Clothes Iron
Weighted Swinging Fan

Land Transport:

Odometer
South-Pointing Chariot
Wheelbarrow
Rickshaw
Sailing Carriage
Hackney Carriage
Stagecoach
Omnibus
Wagon
Crank Powered Tricycle

Water Transport:

Ocean Going Multi-Masted Sail Powered Ship (Up to 7 Masts)
Bamboo Plaited Mat Sails
Mechanically Controlled Sail Battens
Adjustable Sail
Stabilizing Sails
Steering Sails
Oblique Rigging
Leeboard
Centerboard
Daggerboard
Rudder
Height Adjusting Mechanism for the Rudder
Fenestrated Rudder
Steering Wheel
Watertight Bulkhead
Limber Hole
Bilge
Square-Pallet Bilge Pump
Double Hull
Ship Crossbeams
Circular Toothed Anchor
Paddle Wheel
Animal Driven Paddle Wheel Ship
Magnetic Compass
Raised Relief Map
Sun Compass
Sail Tacking
The use of Ocean Gyres and Trade Winds to Aid Sea Transport
Astrolabe
Sea Chart
Globe

Aircraft (Unmanned Prototypes):

Kite
Kongming Lantern
Flying Top

Air Transport:

Kite Glider

Armor and Fortification:

Horo (Arrow Deflecting Cloak)
Lacquer Coated Armor
Spiked Shield
Chain Mail
Full Plate Armor
Barding
Armored Cavalry
Pavise
Castles
Cannon Armed Bastion Fortresses

Weapons:

Bladed Pole (Guandao)
Long-Handled Saber (Podao)
Cavalry
Louchuan Oar and Sail Powered Battleship
Central Castle
Fore Castle
Aft Castle
Ship Ram
Hooks for Pinning Retreating Ships
Hook Launching Ballista
Molten Iron Fire Pot
Ocean Going Multi-Masted Sail Powered Water Tanker Ship
Ocean Going Multi-Masted Sail Powered Battleship
Hide and Iron Armored Louchuan Battleship
Sekibune Shield and House Armored Battleship
Compound Steel Wave Blades
Armor Piercing Nodato
Armor Piercing Wakizashi
Armor Piercing Katana
Armor Piercing Naginata
Snorkel
Caltrops
Shuriken
Throwing Star
Baton
Mace
Flail
Broad Sword
Saber
Pike
Lance
Longbow
Reflex Bow
Crossbow
Repeating Crossbow
Battering Ram
Sky Cart
Scaling Ladder
Rake Cart
Double Hook Cart
Cloud Ladder
Mobile Moat Crossing Bridge
Hook Carts
Wooden Screen
Assault Cover
Head Cart
Plated Gallery
Wagon and Cart for Filling in Moats
Nest Cart
Watchtower Cart
Armored Siege Tower
Gate Blocking Knife Cart
Cheval de Frise
Hoof Grasper
Iron Waterchestnut
Deerhorn Wood
Earth Stopper
Iron Caltrop
Night Prong Thunderstick
Flying Hook
Wolf's Tooth Striking Board
Wandering Fire Cauldron
Triple-Bow Arcuballista
Traction Trebuchet
Torsion Trebuchet
Springald
Wheel Catapult
Counterweight Trebuchet
Windlass
Bed Crossbow
Multiple Bolt Crossbow
Mounted Multiple Bolt Crossbow
Fire Jar
Fire Pot
Fire Stone
Fireship
Pump Operated Flamethrower
Sail Powered Ironclad Battleship
Sail/Animal Driven Paddle Wheel Powered Ironclad Battleship
Gunpowder
Catapulted Corpses
Incendiary Fire Arrow
Explosive Fire Arrow
Flaming Spear
Incendiary Fire Spear
Explosive Fire Spear
Fire Ball
Barbed Fire Ball
Fire Bird
Fire Ox w/ Spears
Explosive Fire Ox
Fragmentary Fire Ox
Fire Gourd
Fire Lance
Fire Arrow Cannon
Muzzle Loading Hand Cannon Gun
Wick Fired Muzzle Loading Cannon
Howitzer
Mortar
Mortar Turntable
Truck Carriage
Bomb Vessel
Gunport
Sail Powered Cannon Armed Battleship
Sail Powered Cannon Armed Ironclad Battleship
Sail/Animal Driven Paddle Wheel Powered Cannon Armed Ironclad Battleship
Gwiseon Ironclad Roof Armored Battleship
Hellburner
Oar Powered Submarine
Racebuilt Galleon
Cannon Catching Rope Net
Matchlock Firing Mechanism
Wheellock Firing Mechanism
Snaplock Firing Mechanism
Flintlock Firing Mechanism
Pistol
Musket
Blunderbuss
Arquebus
Fire Arrow Arquebus
Fire Arrow Mortar
Breech-Loading Musket
Breech-Loading Swivel Cannon
Volley Gun
Rotary Volley Gun
Ship of the Line
Puckle Gun
Fire Dart
Superposed Load
Hand Mortar
Cannonball
Wick Ignited Explosive Shell
Grapeshot
Canister Shot
Case Shot
Scrapshot
Chain Shot
Carcass
Wick Ignited Hand Grenade
Smoke Bomb
Stink Bomb
Toxic Vapor Bomb
Signal Flare
Coil Wick Ignited Landmine
Time Fused Water Mine
Solid Rocket Fuel
Fireworks
Fireworks Rocket
Multiple Rocket Launcher
Portable Multiple Rocket Launcher
Solid Shot Rocket
Rocket-Bomb
Multi-Stage Rocket
Cannon Tower
Rocket Tower

Corrective Devices:

Cane
Crutches
Wheelchair
Glasses
Mechanical Hearing Aid
Peg Leg
Dial Operated Hand

Mathematics:

Pi
Long Division
Polynomials
Algebra
Calculus
Generalized Binomial Theorem
Root Function Approximation
Cubic Plane Curves

Scientific/Measuring Instruments:

Thermometer
Gunter's Chain
Gunter's Quadrant
Gunter's Scale
Slide Rule
Circular Slide Rule
Microscope
Spirit Level

Geography:

Cartography

Meteorology:

Water Cycle

Medicine:

Drugs
Antiseptics
Toxicology

Biology:

Anatomy
Cells
Microbes

Physics:

Pendulum
Galilean Relativity
The Laws of Motion
The Law of Gravity
The Law of Cooling
Prism
Newtonian Fluid
Hooke's Law (Harmonic Oscillator)
Formulas for Optimizing Gear Design

Astronomy:

Astronomical Observatory
Nova
Supernova
Comet
Meteor
Asteroid
Planet
Water-Powered Armillary Sphere
Lunar Eclipse
Solar Eclipse
Heliocentricism
Elliptical Planetary Orbits
Oblate Spheroid Shape of Planets
Telescope
Reflecting Telescope

Later Developments:

The first practical steam engine, the Atmospheric Engine invented by Thomas Newcomen in 1712, would launch the 2nd Industrial Revolution from 1700-1860 where engine powered factories emerged as well as motorized transport like steamboats, steamships, trains, and trolleys. The technological advances in this period were made mostly by the UK, the USA and France which made them the most powerful nations in the world.
Title: Re: The Industrial Eurasians & the Primitive Jews, Africans, & Native Americans
Post by: N567 on Tue 09 Feb 2021
Here are fascinating images of mills as an example of Europe's rapid industrial growth during the 1st Industrial Revolution:

Animal Mill:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/High_Atlas-The_olive_grinding_mill_%28js%29.jpg/640px-High_Atlas-The_olive_grinding_mill_%28js%29.jpg)

Watermill:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/Roblinsmill.jpg)

Windmill:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Podersdorf_Windm%C3%BChle_2008_a.JPG/576px-Podersdorf_Windm%C3%BChle_2008_a.JPG)
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: N567 on Sat 20 Feb 2021
Later Development, Steam Powered Mill in the 1700's-1800's:

(https://images.ourontario.ca/Partners/OakvilleImages/BHS/002656542f.jpg)
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: Br.IanVonTurpie on Sat 20 Feb 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-6YQQ779YM

Machines eh? Ancient ones?
Seriously there's some stuff that's been built that is damn impossible a long time ago

That exists in Egypt and Bolivia.
They never had metals capable of cutting the rock a certain way or did they have electricity!
No trees to roll the stone high in the mountains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJMZyl6zbKU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Rbi6_SMT5w

See that king's chamber in the great Pyramid of Cheops?
How did they cut the stone and make it so smooth with Bronze 5,000 years ago?

That box there I've looked at it personally and I saw no sign of machine or saw marks. How did they cut it? Then hollow that out?

Do you think the aincients just built things with bronze tools?
Do you believe they had machines?
Or... do you believe there was Alien / supernatural technology in use?
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: N567 on Sun 21 Feb 2021
Quote from: Br.IanVonTurpie on Sat 20 Feb 2021

Machines eh? Ancient ones?
Seriously there's some stuff that's been built that is damn impossible a long time ago ....

They cut the stones using a technique called dolerite pounding and they moved the stones using roller logs, sleds, and curved cradles wrapped around the stone to make it roll like a wheel.

When mills were invented around 500BCE, they started building stone cutting mills to cut the stone into shape.

With the use of dolerite or mill powered grinders, no saw marks would form on the stones because these devices have no teeth.

The use of these devices allowed stone blocks to be mass produced which made it possible to construct multi-story apartment blocks all over Europe and Asia that were usually up to 5 stories high.

If you look at images of cities in Europe and Asia they are full of apartment blocks that have been there for thousands of years.

Below are images of ancient cities with uniform apartment blocks made of mass produced interchangeable parts:

Poznan, Poland:

(https://www.rooshv.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/poznan-poland.jpg)

Lalitpur, Nepal:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/40/Nepal_Patan_Mangal.jpg/1280px-Nepal_Patan_Mangal.jpg)
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: Br.IanVonTurpie on Sun 21 Feb 2021
In the case of Puma punku , there were no trees at high altitudes for them to roll the stones, no found tools.
Perfect drilled holes and precision that is just phenomenal ! Do you think it was all diorite pounding?

Then there is stuff like The Japanese Atlantis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYBJnX9AHOg

Thought to be made in the last ice age?
Then sunken. Look at the angles in the rock, far too precise to be geological features.

No evidence of:-
Machines, electricity Or tools or metals capable of cutting this stone in the way it has.

The European has invented some awesome machines ok!
However Look at what was done in aincient times prior to any known machines that exist!

Egypt is in Africa and the craftsman ship on their stuff is amazing! It's believed the original people there were not Arabs but Greek people / European races. However race mixing destroyed the people that were once there.

Once I read an interesting book "The Giza Power plant" by Christopher Dunn.
(https://res.cloudinary.com/jerrick/image/upload/f_auto,fl_progressive,q_auto,c_fit,w_1100/osguv4zqive89nrfs1j4)

https://www.scribd.com/book/351486810/The-Giza-Power-Plant-Technologies-of-Ancient-Egypt

Check it out! This bloke reckons the Pyramids were not tombs but aincient power stations using aincient technologies.
Perhaps worth a read?
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: N567 on Mon 22 Feb 2021
Quote from: Br.IanVonTurpie on Sun 21 Feb 2021In the case of Puma punku , there were no trees at high altitudes for them to roll the stones, no found tools.
Perfect drilled holes and precision that is just phenomenal ! Do you think it was all diorite pounding?

Then there is stuff like The Japanese Atlantis
Thought to be made in the last ice age?
Then sunken. Look at the angles in the rock, far too precise to be geological features.

No evidence of:-
Machines, electricity Or tools or metals capable of cutting this stone in the way it has.

The European has invented some awesome machines ok!
However Look at what was done in aincient times prior to any known machines that exist!

Egypt is in Africa and the craftsman ship on their stuff is amazing! It's believed the original people there were not Arabs but Greek people / European races. However race mixing destroyed the people that were once there.

Once I read an interesting book "The Giza Power plant" by Christopher Dunn.
(https://res.cloudinary.com/jerrick/image/upload/f_auto,fl_progressive,q_auto,c_fit,w_1100/osguv4zqive89nrfs1j4)

https://www.scribd.com/book/351486810/The-Giza-Power-Plant-Technologies-of-Ancient-Egypt

Check it out! This bloke reckons the Pyramids were not tombs but aincient power stations using aincient technologies.
Perhaps worth a read?

The animal mills, watermills, and windmills were the power plants of the ancients.

And civilizations never collapsed, all of the countries then and its people are still here today despite having different names.

The Japanese already had their own factories called water scoop mills in ancient times and below is an image of a water scoop mill:

(https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/abcde195-660e-4a0e-b295-79979fb0c0d7/de1uqdb-f7b2183f-bc25-4fa2-87e0-de8faa832507.png/v1/fill/w_1600,h_1131,q_80,strp/water_scoop_mill_by_draklortank_de1uqdb-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTEzMSIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2FiY2RlMTk1LTY2MGUtNGEwZS1iMjk1LTc5OTc5ZmIwYzBkN1wvZGUxdXFkYi1mN2IyMTgzZi1iYzI1LTRmYTItODdlMC1kZThmYWE4MzI1MDcucG5nIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTE2MDAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.uSyD1ACBp7h16Ct0fOo2A-_ZoCGA7QvSLv_Cy-qdZSU)

The Water Scoop Mill: a type of water mill, invented by the Japanese, that generates mechanical power by letting water from a downstream river flow into the hollow container at the end of a lever which then empties when the weight of the water drags the lever down, a counterweight then pulls the opposite end of the lever down and the end with the container back up so that it can again be filled with water, generating a reciprocating motion that is used to power hammers in forge mills, saws in sawmills, stamps in stamp mills used for mining, and to make wool textiles in fullers, and pottery in pottery mills, and this allowed them to produce goods on an industrial scale, with the time period from 500BCE-1700 being the 1st Industrial Revolution, a technological revolution that turned the entire Eurasian landmass into a large floating factory and gave the empires of Asia and Europe the power to conquer and subjugate the tribal societies of Eurasia and later the tribes in the Americas, Africa, and Oceania.
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: Br.IanVonTurpie on Mon 22 Feb 2021
Some aincient Pyramid building theories using water
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGH93mt81BA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laDNZChiSpQ
We're the Pryamids aincient power plants?
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: N567 on Mon 22 Feb 2021
Quote from: Br.IanVonTurpie on Mon 22 Feb 2021
We're the Pryamids aincient power plants?

I am not sure about pyramids being power plants but the use of buoys or rafts to transport large stones on water has been tested.

The only thing that needs to be done is to push the stone into the buoy or raft by prying the stone off the ground and into rollers, sleds or a lubricant so that it will slide into the buoy or raft placed near the edge of the water.

QuoteThe Egyptians put a lot of effort into Quarrying stones from Aswan and brought them to the Giza plateau on boats on the Nile. There is a good 900 km's between the two places.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZOIjYy8uL8

Keeping on topic here the American Indians did megalithic works with precise cuts in Cusco . No water or rivers near by to achieve this task Of not only getting them on site but putting them on top of each other.
If the Indians had machines to do this , it wasn't from our world.

Personally I believe there is a lot of knowledge that was around by many cultures that has been lost.

Because the Amerindians did not have any machinery, they only built limited numbers of large stone structures such as pyramids unlike the Eurasians who built large structures for occupation by residents because they possessed the aforementioned milling machinery that allowed them to mass produce stone blocks, wooden planks, and ceramic tiles which they used to build inns and apartment blocks that completely filled their cities.

While the Jews, Africans, and Amerindians were only living in small single story structures, sometimes just huts or tents, the Eurasians already had high rise buildings for mass occupancy that filled the skylines of their megalopolises.

And the Eurasians had mass transport in the form of chariots, rickshaws, carts, and carriages which traveled through dirt roads or roads paved with wood or stone panels and oar powered ferry boats that provided intracity and intercity taxi services using a network of stone canals that run throughout their Empires. 
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: Br.IanVonTurpie on Tue 23 Feb 2021
It's not clear if American Indians had machines or not to
Me. It's not clear who or what engineered Puma Punku . It's not "Child's play" . Their Pyramids are pretty advanced for the times they were built.
It's not clear if Egyptians had machines either (Africa).

It's not clear that the Pacific Islanders of Easter Island had machines. Nobody has found any or tools but  how else did they carve the statues.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Island

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwqglT-A0IHcztIBHs5TM0noLx14C-KNAEOQ&usqp=CAU)

The Olmec heads wouldn't be simple to sculpt.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olmec_colossal_heads

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d5/Olmeca_head_in_Villahermosa.jpg/800px-Olmeca_head_in_Villahermosa.jpg)

The discovery of the first colossal head at Tres Zapotes in 1862 by José María Melgar y Serrano was not well documented nor reported outside of Mexico.[2] The excavation of the same colossal head by Matthew Stirling in 1938 spurred the first archaeological investigations of Olmec culture. Seventeen confirmed examples are known from four sites within the Olmec heartland on the Gulf Coast of Mexico. Most colossal heads were sculpted from spherical boulders but two from San Lorenzo Tenochtitlán were re-carved from massive stone thrones. An additional monument, at Takalik Abaj in Guatemala, is a throne that may have been carved from a colossal head. This is the only known example from outside the Olmec heartland.

Dating the monuments remains difficult because of the movement of many from their original contexts prior to archaeological investigation. Most have been dated to the Early Preclassic period (1500–1000 BC) with some to the Middle Preclassic (1000–400 BC) period. The smallest weigh 6 tons, while the largest is variously estimated to weigh 40 to 50 tons, although it was abandoned and left uncompleted close to the source of its stone.

Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: N567 on Tue 23 Feb 2021
Quote from: Br.IanVonTurpie on Tue 23 Feb 2021
It's not clear if American Indians had machines or not to
Me. It's not clear who or what engineered Puma Punku . It's not "Child's play" . Their Pyramids are pretty advanced for the times they were built.
It's not clear if Egyptians had machines either (Africa).
It's not clear that the Pacific Islanders of Easter Island had machines. Nobody has found any or tools but  how else did they carve the statues.

Well like I said, they only built pyramids and stone statues while the Eurasians built more complex structures that actually had practical use such as the Stonehenge astronomical calendars, farms, ranches, agricultural terraces, aquaculture centers, cisterns, apartment blocks, animal mill, watermill, and windmill factories, blast furnaces, oil refineries, roads, highways, cantilever bridges, drawbridges, suspension bridges, causeways, mass transit in the form of chariots, rickshaws, hand carts, carts, carriages, wagons, sleds, sleighs, ferry rafts, ferry boats, and ocean going ships, telecommunications in the form of signal horns, signal trumpets, smoke signals, zoetropes, bells, and semaphore flags, computers such as the suanpan, also known as the abacus, aircraft such as the kite, sky lantern, and kite glider, artificial islands that were used as commercial and naval relay stations for ships, armor, armor piercing weapons, armored cavalry, armored siege engines such as the battering ram, mobile siege ladder, mobile moat crossing bridge, armored carriage, armored siege tower, ballista, springald, and catapult, incendiary weapons such as flaming arrows, flaming spears, flamethrowers, fire jars, fire pots, and fire stones, gunpowder weapons such as the fire gourd, fire arrow, fire spear, fire ball, guns, cannons, grenades, smoke bombs, artillery shells, mines, and rockets, armored battleships armed with catapults, and weapons of mass destruction such as fire ships, fire oxen, explosive fire oxen, fragmentary fire oxen, toxic vapor bombs, catapulted rotting biomass, and hellburners and all of this is proof of our racial superiority.
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: Br.IanVonTurpie on Wed 24 Feb 2021
Of course what you said is true about Europeans and our inventions and achievements. You see the cold brings necessity. You have to :- build castles not just to protect you from the elements but neighbours with advanced weapons. You have to :- mine , farm, plan, build, reason, co- ordinate and have responsibility.

This is something people in hot climates never had to do . When ever there is a challenge there is no talking just "Hulk smaaaash!" They are not evolved with problem solving abilities.


The stuff the American Indians and Egyptians made that was advanced wasn't always practical stuff . It was ornamental and religeous artefacts In many cases  that are impossible none the less and shouldn't really exist technically.

They went to tremendous efforts to build statues and structures for these reasons .... but why didn't they put their efforts into more practical inventions?

You could say Stone Henge in Aincient Britain is ornamental and religeous monument ? It was an aincient calendar. How did they put the rocks on top of each other? Why would you bring them from Wales to Salisbury plain?
On that specific site?
It was made by Bronze Age Celts. Without known machines or tools. Just log rollers. Why bother rolling. Stones up hills? Through creek beds etc?

Perhaps the aincient Celts , Indians, Egyptians and Easter Islanders were tuned into supernatural realms? Or had assistance from Aliens?
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: N567 on Wed 24 Feb 2021
Quote from: Br.IanVonTurpie on Wed 24 Feb 2021Perhaps the aincient Celts , Indians, Egyptians and Easter Islanders were tuned into supernatural realms? Or had assistance from Aliens?

It is not just the climate that determined the level of scientific and technological progress of Eurasia because even the Spanish, Portuguese, Arabs, Indians and Chinese who lived in long stretches of desert in many parts of their empires also had industrial level technology that was far in advance of what the Jews, Africans, and Native Americans had, which was nothing, but also the lack or forced prohibition of superstitious practices.

This had 2 effects, the 1st is that the prohibition of superstitions like witchcraft, even in pagan times, prevented the spread of irrational ideas that may brainwash people into being illogical and cult like in their way of thinking.

The 2nd effect is that the witches who were executed could not pass their inferior genes onto the next generation of people which rendered the gene pool free of gene pollution that could lead to the breeding of unintelligent people.

The beliefs of the polytheistic pagans and the monotheistic religions of Europe and Asia were not as irrational as the superstitions of the Jews, Africans, and Native Americans.

The only irrational ideas in the Eurasian religions were the belief in an afterlife, divine punishment, heaven and hell, reincarnation, miracles, prophecies determined by oracles, prophets, and holy scriptures, and the concept of an apocalypse or end of the world.

While the Jews, Africans, and Native Americans have very bizarre superstitions, like cannibalism, human sacrifice, the practice of scalping by the Native Americans, and even today extremely superstitious practices like beheading bald men and trying to extract gold from their heads along with drying live babies to death in a magic ritual, that would supposedly grant wealth, are still practiced by Africans while Jewish Rabbis still suck the penises of circumcised newborn boys.

Like I said in this other thread:

https://creativityalliance.com/forum/general-jabber/the-agrarian-eurasians-and-the-primitive-jews-africans-and-native-americans/msg35993/#msg35993

The ancient Eurasians already had machines like the quern stone as early as 8000 BCE, which they used to grind grains and other materials, so it is very possible for them to have other sophisticated tools and machines which they used to make structures like the Stonehenge.

For example, aside from using roller logs, curved cradles, sleds, and rafts to transport the stones, they could have lifted the stones using levers to pry the stones off the ground and ropes connected to teams of draft animals to pull the stones into an upright position.

The stones on top of the posts could have been positioned into place by sliding them up ramps using the roller logs, curved cradles, or sleds which would be pulled by teams of draft animals.

Because of the absence of manufacturing tools, machines, and draft animals, the Native Americans and Easter Islanders had to build their structures entirely by hand which is not impossible but very time consuming, especially since they did not even possess metal tools.

They would have had to use hard stones like obsidian to carve the stones into specific shapes, which is harder than using dolerite or metal and will take longer.

The pyramids of the Mesoamericans had to use smaller stone blocks than the Egyptian ones because they did not possess roller logs, curved cradles, sleds, and draft animals to pull massive stones while the Easter Islanders would have had to carve stones that are already in an upright position because they did not possess the levers, ropes, and draft animals to raise up a lying stone.
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: Br.IanVonTurpie on Wed 24 Feb 2021
Quote from: N567 on Wed 24 Feb 2021The only irrational ideas in the Eurasian religions were the belief in an afterlife, divine punishment, heaven and hell, reincarnation, miracles, prophecies determined by oracles, prophets, and holy scriptures, and the concept of an apocalypse or end of the world.

This is a personal thing to believe. I have had experience with supernatural things and personally believe there are realms outside our own that cross over and these entities co- exist with our realm. I think these things are out there if you look hard enough, then you'll find it.

The thing that gets me though is "how can something come out of nothing"? There are things you can't see like:- radio waves, magnetic powers, microwaves. Just because you can't see it though it doesn't mean it isn't there.

The Hermit stands on a mountain . His staff represents wisdom / knowledge and his light is calling you up to his mountain top to take it. Will you climb that Mountain to take it off him though?

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSjyrEiAG90f0nVcDp_S5hCCTqvAMOPNQLso43VlY4WYrlzq9WhrTFl0AM&s=10)
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRO0M5aOZdL59oBkNJxnRiQzv52GqvAI8-jOuc0p4erMU5igUUkQ6e1qts&s=10)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAIr2JSIQk4


As far as Easter Island  statues go they think they walked them into position using ropes. No trees to make rollers really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvvES47OdmY
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: N567 on Thu 25 Feb 2021
Quote from: Br.IanVonTurpie on Wed 24 Feb 2021As far as Easter Island  statues go they think they walked them into position using ropes. No trees to make rollers really.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvvES47OdmY

The Easter Islanders are Polynesians and they, like the Micronesians and Melanesians are Mongols from Asia so their civilizations are advanced enough that they know how to make ropes and employed the technique in the video for moving the stone statues.

Many of the Southeast Asian Islanders and Eastern Pacific Islanders also possessed advanced technologies like the ability to build buildings that are up to 2 stories high, animal mill factories, ocean going sailing ships, and artificial islands.

Quote from: Br.IanVonTurpie on Wed 24 Feb 2021The thing that gets me though is "how can something come out of nothing"? There are things you can't see like:- radio waves, magnetic powers, microwaves. Just because you can't see it though it doesn't mean it isn't there.

Electromagnetic radiation is caused by the vibration of photons.

Photons are the particles that make up the electromagnetic fields of charged particles like electrons.

When the charged particles are concentrated into a space to create an imbalance of charge like depositing electrons from one conductive plate to another in the case of a capacitor, the fields of each individual electron become concentrated and what is generated is called an electric field.

When the spins and orbits of electrons are focused into a single direction, the photons would move in circular patterns and the forces and momentum of the photons would add up to generate what is called a magnetic field. The spins and orbits of electrons can be aligned in a single direction by exposing metals with loose electrons at the outer orbits of their atoms such as iron to magnetic fields from another source: this is called magnetization, and the spins and orbits of the electrons can also be aligned by running the electrons through an inductor with or without a metal core and this is referred to as an electromagnet.

When the charged particles are made to vibrate such as when a material is heated by fire or electricity, the photons surrounding the charged particles will also vibrate and this is what is called radiation.

The energy of a particle can be calculated using the formula below:

E = hf

Where:


E - is the energy of the particle
h - is Planck's constant
f - is the frequency of the particle 

The source of a particle's mass is its interaction with the Higgs Boson and particles only interact with the Higgs Bosons when they vibrate.

This is why the vibrating photons from a source of radiation can be bent by the gravity of massive objects or be absorbed by a black hole, while the photons of an electric and magnetic field cannot be attracted to gravity because those photons are not vibrating which means that they are not generating mass by interacting with the surrounding Higgs Bosons.

Massive particles like the electrons, protons, and neutrons in an atom never become massless because they are always vibrating and the frequency of the particle's vibration can only be lowered up to a certain point: this is the reason why particles with mass cannot have their temperature reduced to 0 Kelvin. The minimum energy that massive particles possess because they have a minimum vibrating frequency that cannot be reduced to 0 is called the 0 point energy of the particle.

The frequency of massive particles and thus its 0 point energy and mass can only be reduced to 0 in the case of particle decay and matter-antimatter annihilation.

When the particle decays into another particle its 0 point energy or mass is reduced to 0 because it completely transfers its energy to another particle to make it vibrate so that that particle gains the mass-energy.

When a particle is annihilated with its antimatter counterpart such as the case with electron-positron annihilation, the energy of both particles is transferred completely to 2 photons that would start vibrating at the gamma ray frequency, and when those gamma ray photons decay, they will transfer their energy back to an electron-positron pair.

The mass of a particle can be calculated using the formula below (hint: Einstein the fraud stole it from Oliver Heaviside and Olinto de Pretto):

E = mc^2

To calculate the mass, the mass variable m must be isolated, so the following formula is derived:

m = E/c^2

Where:


m - is the mass
E - is the energy
c - is the speed of light in a vacuum which is equivalent to 299,274 km/s
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: Br.IanVonTurpie on Thu 25 Feb 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piK3JQPd4B0

Partly why I believe in the paranormal is because I've been inside the Great Pyramid in Egypt.
I was told photography is prohibited and they'll take cameras off you if they see you with them before you enter.

I still had my phone though. I wasn't going to have a once in the lifetime moment until I took pictures in there.
The guard wasn't looking myself and your mate got some.

That night I look at the pictures in there and I see wierd , paranormal things in my pictures I never saw but my camera saw.

If you bring a compass in there it won't find north.
There is a lot of crystal on Giza Plateau . The first radios were crystal sets encasing crystals that emitted a frequency.
The Egyptians brought the rock to that site for a reason.

It's like that site is off the globe and can't find magnetic north.
It's like these things are aincient machines. Check out the video.
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: Rev.Cambeul on Fri 26 Feb 2021
Quote from: Br.IanVonTurpie on Thu 25 Feb 2021Partly why I believe in the paranormal is because I've been inside the Great Pyramid in Egypt.
I was told photography is prohibited and they'll take cameras off you if they see you with them before you enter.

I still had my phone though. I wasn't going to have a once in the lifetime moment until I took pictures in there.
The guard wasn't looking myself and your mate got some.

@Br.IanVonTurpie is referring to me there - I got to see a copy of his pictures ...

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/aa/0d/e6/aa0de6b526fcc7524077ff65dc88f712.jpg)

Maybe I'll see something now with my higher definition screens? But I doubt it.

What I learned in the army while sitting there over a gun through long nights trying to look into the dark between the trees, is that your eyes play tricks - they make up distinct shapes, patterns based on too little light and information. Night time security cameras do the same thing, and the human eye cannot help but naturally pick out the familiarity of what really is bugger all. That's why I'm looking forward to my upgraded security camera for my car being delivered soon. The point is, it's every night that I see the natural inclination for the human eye to form patterns where there are none.

As for Compasses: 3 Points There ...
Ever seen an officer on a Vietnam or other war movie carrying a compass, backpack radio and a rifle?

1. Carrying a rifle will screw up your compass bearing.
2. Carrying a radio will screw up your compass bearing.
3. Never allow an officer near a compass, or you're screwed.

It's called Magnetic Interference. There's much more in nature that causes Magnetic Interference than people realise - and that's why people die. Getting back to the topic, the Pyramids are made of Granite; there's a prime example of Magnetic Interference right there.

As to who built the Pyramids and why, all we have is the testimony of experts:

(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/e6/6b/7d/e66b7d5fc540b574fa92b410fc56f9d4--aliens-guy-ancient-aliens.jpg)(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/54/9f/be549ff89a29c9941c4c29a16cf6a1ac.jpg)
More History Channel Memes at Duck Search (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=history+channel+guy+aliens+meme&t=opera&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images)

There are better experts than the History Channel, but I do believe the fellow on the right with the shaved head, is right.
Title: Re: Why Were the Jews, Africans & Amerindians Left Behind the Industrial Revolution?
Post by: Br.IanVonTurpie on Fri 26 Feb 2021
https://thebl.com/science/napoleon-bonapartes-mysterious-night-in-the-kings-chamber-at-giza.html
Napoleon Bonaparte's mysterious night in the King's Chamber at Giza  ... Spooky!

Not just me. Napoleon too had supernatural experiences there