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Title: War in Ukraine
Post by: Rev.JoelDufresne on Sun 26 Feb 2023
Is anyone wondering about why we're being pushed into another fratricidal war with our own blood again?

I remember the night the fighting in Ukraine popped off.

I remember Russia demanding the Minsk agreement be honoured and their borders respected and then this..

The deafening sound of a whole nation who isn't privileged enough to speak for itself....

And it's all because you see, we as a population, we weren't smart enough to hear what Russia had to say about why Russia had declared a special military operation, so they (the media) protected us by telling us everything we needed to hear themselves (with the careful instruction is the CIA of course).

Cable newscasters declared publicly their bias literally admitting that they would not let us see things from the Russian perspective, Russia had been cancelled you see they are evil and our government is good and they were obsessed with proving it.

Newscasters from both fixed news and the communist news network declared that they would be our filter and no one said a word.

No one asked why pro-Russian separatists rose up to begin with, no one asked what the Minsk agreement was or what proof anyone had that Russia was planning on taking over Europe.

No one asked why our media knew all Russia's and Putin's expectations, all their plans, or why all the sudden both liberal and conservative news had just adopted the same exact talking points or why it seemed they were all taking their stories from the same source.

You see they didn't have too.

They started on the easiest trick of all....

They questioned our patriotism, squawked about freedom and appealed to our own post WW2 bias and the rest fell like domino's.

Anyone who questioned was shouted down and accused of being traitor's.

India and China where threatened and western Europe all the sudden made obviously absurd decisions completely outside of their own interests.

So the question is why?

Is the answer that Ukraine has the right to be free and Russia was attempting to colonize them?

Or is it so American corporations can unload tons of junk in a new market?

Or was it because in the Minsk agreement Ukraine had agreed to give those regions autonomy and then reneged?

The Ukrainian government is already billions in debt to western weapons manufacturers..

Anyone who's read General Butler's "War Is A Racket" knows America's intervention is always for a reason.

But this problem is explained deeper in the book "Active Measures" where a democratic operative talks candidly about American and Russian disinformation campaign's.

There is an entire section of the book dedicated to Ukraine and America's overall ambition to divide them from their Slavic brethren in the east.

So the corporate colonization might be the reason, but is Putin a good guy because he was pretty much forced into conflict?

Definitely not, he's at best a National Bolshevik, which isn't the best of choices but is at least in my Yockeyite mind is light years ahead of following a Levantine midget to war against our own kind.

Of course the Azov Battalion has provided sanctuary to Nationalists, but how long do any of you think that'll last??

What about when they call Ukraine and demand extradition?

Do you think George Soros and Zelensky will allow their pets to talk back?

I mean after the war ends, win or lose do you think they'll stand up for those who spilled White blood in their name?

Are the Azov Battalion commanders pro-US or just anti-Russian?

We all know one of the greatest propaganda campaigns of the 1970's was the mass dissemination of the book Animal Farm among the Ukrainian populace.

The intention of this was clear....

To cause interethnic conflict by giving the impression that based on Soviet corruption, that the Ukrainian and Russian people were somehow different, that somehow they not of the same Scythian/Viking heritage....

That somehow the Princes didn't descend from the same family.

Yet still my comrade's kill each other for separate ideal's instead of respecting one another and uniting against the tyrannical multicultural system of the west that is now in this country and in Europe is acting against all White culture and ideology.

Stories of aggressive indoctrination by colleges are common place and with the help of Antifa is at times enforced with violence.

Their intention is the establishment of Multicultural Economic Zones whose sole focus is the enrichment of the ruling class of traitor's and the eventual destruction of our culture and our people.

Our heritage will be obliterated from history with only a bunch of brown transvestites to remember us by.

So why are they at war?

And how have any true Nationalists found themselves on the side of a Levantine?

Who knows why?

These are probably the same people who found themselves supporting the super Zionists Trump and Giuliani because they caused problems, and the reds didn't like them because they wanted to preserve our system and way of life.

The same system and way of life that treats us like trash and floods our country with immigrants....

People still scream about his wall, but that wasn't to stop them. It was to keep the flood as orderly as possible.

You see if you give them fancy cards, a pretty piece of paper, somehow it changes them and makes them more productive.

Ask Croatia and Serbia about the columns of Syrians marching through they're countries to see what the rewards of fratricide are.

And for that matter how did the Albanians have a right to secession from Serbia, but not the Serbs of Bosnia, the slaves of Transdniestria or now the Russians of the Donbas from Ukraine?

Who is it that picks who's cause is righteous, and who' s cause should be vilified?

Is it George Soros, the media, the government, NATO?

After seeing the results of the fighting, does it matter to you, or do you just want to see it stop?

Bucha wasn't cool, it just can't be justified.

But the manner in which they act as if 18,000 dead civilians is some unthinkable number of dead civilian's when in actuality it's quite small compared to the NATO wars of Iraq, Afghanistan and Serbia....

America's body count for the last 30 years is in the millions.

America's killed enough Iraqis to make ISIS puke.

America starved more people to death in Iraq in one month than have died in this war so far.

They killed 10x more retreating, and I mean not in field of battle, not a threat to any soldiers on the "Highway of Death" (please look it up (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=HIGHWAY+OF+DEATH)). The American military killed thousands and it's just a best estimate 150,000 Iraqis leaving Kuwait - and the reason given was to test their weapons.

I remember in 1999, in a prison cell watching on a black and white TV, Israeli soldiers literally bulldoze Jenin in the West Bank..

I watched as a Israelites shot Abram Tank rounds into protesting Palestinian children, and when the communist news network asked them why? Alon Pinkus, the Israeli ambassador said calmly that rocks kill too.

We get to see how cities where the Ukrainian military has retreated to have been damaged or destroyed, but the media refuses to show us the apocalypse NATO has left in its wake every time they decide someone has shown good faith at selling their countries to the Western Military Industry or banks.

I watched recently on TV how Ukrainian and American officials denounced the blood thirsty Russians and Wagnerites for shelling civilian homes where the Ukrainian military videotaped themselves hiding, and from where they attacked Russian positions.

What does anyone expect?

In war you attack where your enemy is. There is no safe zone. And if you're going to hide behind civilians, at least have the decency to evacuate them instead of using their bodies for Western Propaganda....

Why is no one calling out why in Bakhmut, if Ukraine wants to save lives, why haven't they evacuated the civilians from the city? It's the Ukraine military that decided to hide in it and fight street to street urban warfare!

And if their military has fought Russia to a standstill, why are they being beaten so badly by convicts with the little to no battle skill and little training that I've heard just on the news at least 3 times? The brigade's there are having to get reinforcements. And why if the city is of so little value - not that they are losing there because Russia is almost done regrouping and has started moving forward again - have they not just abandoned the city and moved to areas of value?

After hearing news reports saying 80% of the convicts have been killed captured or wounded in Bakhmut, my research (with the help of friends and family) has independent sources (such as Soldier of Fortune Magazine) claiming around 500 have been killed. Which would explain why Chris Cuomo had to retreat from his redemption tour where he's trying to convince the world he's not a political operative like he was working for the communist news, because the last roads were in the process of being cut off by the said prisoners, who according logic where still alive.

And who questioned Ukrainians bombing the Kerch bridge in a ISIS like attack setting off a bomb in a truck, that the Americans had helped with getting into Russian territory? Killing not only the driver, who had no idea the bomb was there, but also the innocent Russian civilians as well who just happened to be on the bridge that day?


As anyone can see I'm anti-Zelensky and I'm anti-NATO....

But it's for a reason.

It breaks my heart to see our people divided. If Ukraine wins it does nothing but provide a new dumping ground for the oppressed masses, and Russia will be soon to follow.

Soon the last bulwark of our people will gone, and there will be nowhere for us to survive.

The bankers will make sure that every last inch of our lands are saturated with immigrants.

Mark my words if Russia loses we'll all pay.

Reverend Joel Dufresne,
Michigan Gulag.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Br.IanVonTurpie on Sun 26 Feb 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AMsrxba3Sc&pp

It's about Gas distribution!
- Russia doesn't want expansion of NATO as it doesn't want war games so close to their boarder.
- Putin has cancer and doesn't care what happens.
- Liberated prisoners are just pawns in the game.
- Insufficient supplies are being given to Russian forces.
- Main issue is if China gets involved with Russia.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Athegatewaypundit.com+zelensky
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Br.Rebel on Sun 26 Feb 2023
For be good politican you must read Nicolo Machiavelli book "The Prince". War is mistake of Ukrainian diplomacy who did not have strong connection with west as NATO alliance. Our members must know european mentality and it is that we are first of all nations and second brothers. Nobody of european nations will no say that they are brothers of other. Each of them are looking just their interests. I do not think that is Russia uncer control of Jews. Putin is aware of their mission in Russia and he spoke really negative on it.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Rev.Cambeul on Sun 26 Feb 2023
In this case, it's the Jewish Oligarchs that got tired of the Russian Economic Forum - Sick of Jew Russia? They chose the Jew West instead.

They control it all.

That's why CREATIVITY NEEDS TO INFILTRATE THE JOG.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Rev.JoelDufresne on Mon 27 Mar 2023
(Dictated by phone).

This war is a world changing event. We should have already mobilized a primary group to collect information and begin community outreach.  All outreach should strictly be kept to right and wrong and what the actual facts are. The less we say about ethnic groups, outside of Russians and Ukrainians, would go a long way toward appealing to a larger audience. Matters outside of those ethnic groups, can be taken up at a different time as they would only serve as a distraction to the issue at hand. 

Remember ... this is a world changing event. 

We can become a part of it, or have opinions about it.
Title: Re: War in Ukraine
Post by: Rev.JoelDufresne on Tue 28 Mar 2023
"Active Measures"...Commonly used term to refer to the political warfare activities of the Soviet Union and Russian Federation which often rely on a combination of propaganda, political pressure, and sometimes covert military activity to achieve national objectives.

Great Read: ACTIVE MEASURES by Thomas Rid
https://www.amazon.com/Active-Measures-History-Disinformation-Political/dp/1250787408/

Quote from: AmazonThis revelatory and dramatic history of disinformation traces the rise of secret organized deception operations from the interwar period to contemporary internet troll farms

We live in the age of disinformation―of organized deception. Spy agencies pour vast resources into hacking, leaking, and forging data, often with the goal of weakening the very foundation of liberal democracy: trust in facts. Thomas Rid, a renowned expert on technology and national security, was one of the first to sound the alarm. More than four months before the 2016 election, he warned that Russian military intelligence was "carefully planning and timing a high-stakes political campaign" to disrupt the democratic process. But as crafty as such so-called active measures have become, they are not new.

The story of modern disinformation begins with the post-Russian Revolution clash between communism and capitalism, which would come to define the Cold War. In Active Measures, Rid reveals startling intelligence and security secrets from materials written in more than ten languages across several nations, and from interviews with current and former operatives. He exposes the disturbing yet colorful history of professional, organized lying, revealing for the first time some of the century's most significant operations―many of them nearly beyond belief. A White Russian ploy backfires and brings down a New York police commissioner; a KGB-engineered, anti-Semitic hate campaign creeps back across the Iron Curtain; the CIA backs a fake publishing empire, run by a former Wehrmacht U-boat commander, that produces Germany's best jazz magazine. Rid tracks the rise of leaking, and shows how spies began to exploit emerging internet culture many years before WikiLeaks. Finally, he sheds new light on the 2016 election, especially the role of the infamous "troll farm" in St. Petersburg as well as a much more harmful attack that unfolded in the shadows.

Active Measures takes the reader on a guided tour deep into a vast hall of mirrors old and new, pointing to a future of engineered polarization, more active and less measured―but also offering the tools to cut through the deception.

Admin Note: Russians did not elect Trump. The Russian conspiracy has since been debunked. The book is nevertheless still a recommended read.