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A Brother Let Down: Joel Dufresne

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tonymadosh30:
To all creators;

    My name is Tony and about two years ago i met a man named Joel Dufresne in prison in Michigan,it didn't take me long to become good friends with Joel.From the beginning he talked about the Creators movement and their virtues.Always he talked highly of the founder and the movement as a whole.

   I became very interested in the movement and all its teaching,but now two years later and A free man it is appalling how I see that the creators have shunned and turned their backs on A man who has done nothing but gave his all to this movement ! This is not what the movement is about.This has totally changed my mind of putting anything forth into the movement.How could I as A white man put any effort into helping A movement with such great values and intentions to just get backs turned on me at the very moment when I need them the most?

   This is unacceptable and A shame. I hope in the future the movement will improve the quality of their outreach to the 'brothers' who have gave all to them !

                                                                                                     sincerely ,
                                                                                                                   Tony M.

Rev.Cambeul:
For starters, you can cut the crap! You don't know what the hell you are talking about.

However, since you are relatively new to Creativity, you are not expected to know the complete history of Creativity, so a few facts are in order:

Joel chose to join up with a gang of malcontents known as "The Creativity Movement" or TCM for short. TCM believe that they, and only they are permitted to use the title "Creator" and that anyone not part of their gang is a traitor to the White Race. We here in Creator Forum, consist of members and supporters of the Creativity Alliance (incorporating the Church of Creativity), and numerous independent Creators. We have nothing whatsoever to do with TCM, nor do we want anything anything whatsoever to do with TCM. As such, we are under no obligation to support TCM members upon going to prison - which is fairly typical for them, as is the abandonment of their members by TCM upon entering prison.

I have known Joel off and on for over a decade now - some of that prior to the advent of TCM. Needless to say, Joel's membership in TCM affected his relationship with other Creators. Joel has only recently disavowed membership in TCM and asked us in the Creativity Alliance for support. Considering Joel's history with TCM, we could have rightly turned down his request for support, however, unlike TCM, we do not kick a man when he is down. I believe that every White man and woman is capable of redemption, and we Creators have a moral obligation to support any Brother or Sister in their time of need. As such, you will find Joel's request for support here:
https://creativityalliance.com/forum/news-from-the-gulags/joel-dufresne

And his (his liaison's) profile at:
https://creativityalliance.com/forum/profile/JoelDufresne

I have discussed Joel's case with the Guardians of the Faith Committee and various Brothers and Sisters familiar with Joel and the circumstances surrounding his initial arrest. It was decided that rather than our Church taking an official stance regarding Joel's case, support for Joel should be left up to the individual - a "Conscience Vote" as politicians call it.

I here appeal to Creators to read through Joel's request for support, his profile and his personal website (which can be found at http://joeldufresnecase.com). Don't judge him harshly for his prior membership of TCM, and consider that he may very well be a victim of JOG's hatred for White Racial Activists and Creators in particular.

I wish Joel all the best. As far as I, and many real Creators are concerned, Joel remains a Reverend of Creativity, and is a legitimate Prisoner of War/P.O.W. RaHoWa!

Cailen.

AdamHansen:
Creativity is not a Movement. It is a RELIGION!


--- Quote from: tonymadosh30 on 13 October 2012 at 20:33 --- To all creators; My name is Tony and about two years ago i met a man named Joel Dufresne in prison in Michigan,it didn't take me long to become good friends with Joel.From the beginning he talked about the Creators movement and their virtues.Always he talked highly of the founder and the movement as a whole. I became very interested in the movement and all its teaching,but now two years later and A free man it is appalling how I see that the creators have shunned and turned their backs on A man who has done nothing but gave his all to this movement ! This is not what the movement is about.This has totally changed my mind of putting anything forth into the movement.How could I as A white man put any effort into helping A movement with such great values and intentions to just get backs turned on me at the very moment when I need them the most? This is unacceptable and A shame. I hope in the future the movement will improve the quality of their outreach to the 'brothers' who have gave all to them ! sincerely , Tony M.
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You insinuate that Joel convinced you of the greatness of Creativity?  You state he is "a man who has done nothing but gave his all to this movement!" ?  If you believe in your friend Joel so adamantly,  then turning your back on Creativity is turning your back on the friendship you had with Joel. 

You should notice that the Creativity Alliance is the only place that gives Joel his say,  even in light of the standing accusations against him. Joel had once campaigned against PM Cambeul,  and yet our Pontifex still corresponds with Joel and his family.  So in essence CA supports Joel's voice,  and gives him the international media stage to speak from that he gets from NOWHERE ELSE. 

He does not get that from the leadership of the ministry he once lead.  His once good friends (TCM) were happy and laughing when Joel was arrested,  and ecstatic when he was sentenced.  Because they became the new leadership (Hazel was so happy that a certain JL was getting the supposed throne).  Seemed like a set up if you ask me. --> The legit Joel replaced by the parolee JL forever under the thumb of the JOG? The moment Joel is arrested JL takes his place and millions of dollars in fines disappear along with the FBI shadow? Seemed like a setup and was a setup.

So all things considered,  Joel get's more from the CA than his own people have ever given him. 

If you want to support Joel and see the saving grace in Creativity,  then you should study more about Creativity and correspond with Joel.  Maybe you could be a good brother who helps us understand him? 

Believe me we have all felt the bite of TCM,  in one way or another.

To be redundant,  why don't you write Joel and ask him how he now feels about Creators belonging to the Creativity Alliance, and those of his old organization TCM?  If you really spent two years in prison with him,  you already know half of that answer.  I am sure he will enlighten you to the fact that his old enemy (Rev. Cambuel PM,  whom he denounced and rebuked) offers him more support than people he once sat down to dinner with. 

Otherwise it seems you have just come here to stir up a bucket of poop. 

PS  Joel and four or so friends once wanted to stomp me into the pavement because my band would not make an announcement for him at a punk show,  in Detroit Michigan.  But if you read the responses to Joel's post you will see I give good reason why he may have been betrayed.  Could you be as forgiving as us?

"Wisdom comes easy if you don't let yourself get in the way . "   :-\

Rev.VanDamme:
Its always sad when a brother is in the jail system. The Creativity Alliance takes the moral high ground by not engaging in feud or revenge against other Creators. Hopefully others will see this and realise that TCM insistence on interference and skinhead control stymies and stunts the growth of Creativity. It answers the question "Why isn't Creativity huge?"

How can an organisation function when its leaders can have state pressure brought to bear on them. While  Matt Hale is  in prison he can be threatened with rape by niggers if he doesn't keep Creativity small and unreasonable. Likewise Reverend Logsdon has been threatened in a similar way unless he kicks out effective Creators as we have seen with recent purges.

I hope I'm wrong. I personally like Matt and have no quarrel with Reverend Logsdon. I do think there is a case for TCM to exist along with a multitude of other groups (just to keep Creativity big/dispersed and able to withstand external attack). Besides, members have a habit of hopping from one to the other also as rows blow up and fizzle out.

What is important is that a generous and noble Creativity Alliance exists out there to allow Creativity to grow and prosper.

Rev.Cambeul:
https://creativityalliance.com/prison-ministries/joeldufresne

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