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Title: Did Dr William Pierce "Plagiarise" The Turner Diaries
Post by: Hidden to Guests on 15 March 2010 at 07:42
here is an extract from William Pierce's biography, The Fame of a Dead Man's Deeds by Robert S Griffin (2001), which discusses the origins of The Turner Diaries  

There has been much speculation about what inspired Pierce to write The Turner Diaries. He had never written any fiction before. Some have guessed that the inspiration was a book by Jack London called The Iron Heel. Pierce clarified that in our discussions. He said that Revilo Oliver was the inspiration. Pierce recalls meeting Oliver through his contacts with Lou Byers in 1970 or 1971, and corresponding with Oliver after that. Oliver had written a review of a book by William Gayley Simpson called Which Way Western Man? for Pierce's tabloid Attack!. (The Simpson book and Pierce's response to it will be discussed in a later chapter.) Pierce said that he had significantly cut Oliver's review. Pierce thought it was too long and that Oliver, who Pierce said detested Christianity, had given over an inordinate amount of space in his review to broadsides against Christianity. At that point--and it is still true today, although to a lesser extent--Pierce didn't want "a war with the Christians," as he put it to me.

Oliver hadn't taken well to Pierce's cuts in his review, but they were on cordial enough terms for the two of them to have gotten together for lunch in 1974 when Oliver was in Washington.

Pierce said he told Oliver at the lunch meeting that he was finding it hard getting a response out of people to the message he was trying to get across. Oliver asked him whether he had ever thought of writing fiction. Oliver told Pierce that many of the sorts of people who would respond to his ideas--those toward the bottom or on the margins of society with less stake in the existing arrangements and less to lose--simply don't read the kind of non-fiction material he was generating. If they read anything at all, Oliver said, it is fiction, and particularly light, action-filled recreational fiction.

“No, I hadn't thought about writing fiction,” Pierce told Oliver. “It does sound like a good idea, though. But I really wouldn't know where to start doing something like that--I've never done any of it.” Oliver told Pierce that when he got back home in Illinois, he would mail him a book that the John Birch Society had published. It was the kind of fiction that he had in mind for Pierce to think about writing.

A couple of weeks later, Pierce received a photocopy of the book, Oliver had talked about in the mail. It was called The John Franklin Letters and had been published back in 1959.28 Pierce told me he didn't read the book carefully, but that he looked through it enough to get an idea of how he could do something like that. The "something like that" turned out to be The Turner Diaries, a book which has sold over three hundred thousand copies without the aid of a commercial publisher and bookstore distribution and has become arguably the most infamous book of our time.

Pierce still has the photocopy of the book Oliver gave him and I went through it.

 The John Franklin Letters is made up of chronologically arranged fictional letters from one John Semmes Franklin to his ninetythree-year-old uncle. They span a two-year period, from 1972 to 1974.

(Recall that the book was written in 1959 and thus its events transpire i n the future.) Pierce told me that the letters format on The John Franklin Letters inspired the idea of a fictional diary, which he decided would be a good format for writing a first novel. With diary entries, Pierce would just have to look at the world through the eyes of one person, Earl Turner. He wouldn't have to put himself in the place of a number of characters, or assume the position of an omniscient observer. No author is listed for The John Franklin Letters. The preface is written by a fictional Harley Ogdon, who identifies himself as a professor of American history at the University of Illinois. He informs us that Franklin's letters to his uncle record the ousting of the "Buros"(Bureaucrats) by the Rangers, an underground patriotic military force Franklin helped form. The Rangers, Ogdon writes, represented the resistance to the excesses of state control of every facet of American life.

They were combatting the government paternalism that was destroying this country. As I read along in the book, I became certain I knew who the author of The John Franklin Letters was--Revilo Oliver himself. I had read enough of Oliver's writings by that time to recognize his thinking and hiswriting style.

"Did Oliver ever tell you who wrote The John Franklin Letters ?" I asked Pierce. "I don't know who wrote it," Pierce answered. "It doesn't give an author because the premise is that this is a collection of letters."

"I believe Oliver himself wrote this book, and that for whatever reason he didn't want his identity known," I said. "It could be that at that time, in the 1950s, he wasn't excited about the idea of the people at National Review or the University of Illinois knowing he was writing this kind of thing."

"That could be,” Pierce responded. “All I know is that he didn't tell me that he had written the book. He just said did you ever see The John Franklin Letters? and I said, no, I never had, and he said I'll send you a copy, it might give you an idea of how you can use a fictional medium to get your message out. And he sent me the book." Even though The John Franklin Letters was written fifty years ago, it reflects many of the concerns of those on the far right in contemporary times. For one thing, there is the worry about "big brother," liberal, paternalistic government, particularly at the federal level. In an early letter of this unpaginated volume, Franklin tells his uncle that it all began with Roosevelt and the New Deal back in the 1930s: "By government, the great orator [Roosevelt] did not mean the people of the United States, acting with courage and common sense in their own communities. He meant a parcel of professional experts minding other people's business, who were even then descending on Washington...a flock of theorists bent on confiscating the nation's money through taxation." Later on, Franklin gets more specific, as the tells his uncle: "[The ‘experts’ have] planned us into economic serfdom; now they'll manage us into organized captivity with an orgy of deficit spending, pump-priming controls and population shifts."

And, then,  there is the disastrous welfare system: "Here's what has happened," writes Franklin. "Anyone can get on the relief roles. All you have to do is convince a Bureaucrat, himself living on other people's money, that you are in need." Elsewhere he tells his uncle, "Charity to those in need has turned into a vast system of 'projects' in the hands of 'social engineers.' Something for nothing--that is now the battle cry."

An anti-black bias shows through as Franklin writes: "One third of the nation's crime is committed by Negroes, mostly in Northern cities--home of enlightenment and integration, you'll notice. The Liberals cry, scarlet with rage, 'Well what do you expect? They live in substandard conditions.' And I add, those rapists, killers, and thieves are behaving in a substandard manner." In another letter, Franklin refers to blacks as a "tax-supported proletariat."

There is the worry about what have come to be called "hate laws." "As bad as blacks are, you can't criticize them,” writes Franklin, “because of the Javitts hate literature law, [Jacob Javitts was a Jewish senator from New York at that time] which prevents what is considered to be unfair propaganda against minority groups.” Later on, Franklin writes to his uncle about a "Mr. White" (white man?) who is serving a ten-year "administrative penalty" for being discourteous to a black. "This had been regarded as a form of genocide," explains Franklin, "since it could do psychological harm to an entire minority element." The New York Commission on Intergroup Relations had previously been after this Mr White, Franklin reports to his uncle, because he was the president of a country club who failed to include a black among its members. "White's remark to the Commission that he thought he and his friends had the right to choose their own associates," writes Franklin, "was most unwise under the circumstances."

The book also foretells fears about what in these years is called the New World Order. Franklin's letters assert that America's sovereignty is being given over to "world governments," as he calls them, such as the United Nations. According to Franklin, this is part of a movement toward a "world-wide people's democratic government." He tells his uncle that the United States is now being governed by the United Nations Organization and the "Peoples' Democratic Anti-Fascist Government of North America." And there are the gun-control worries. Writes Franklin: "No dictatorship has ever been imposed on a nation of free men who have not been first required to register their privately owned weapons...[However] we are not, as were the Hungarians [referring to the 1956 uprising against the Soviet-dominated government in that country] reduced to fighting with our bare hands and Molotov cocktails [explosive devices made out of soda pop bottles and gasoline]. Millions of Americans still have a deadly and trusted weapon which the Buros tried too late to seize."

In the end, the Rangers win the day. Franklin's last letter, dated July 4th, 1974 (again, the book was written in the 1950s), tells of victory and the re-establishment of "the legal government of the United States of America." Franklin tells his uncle: "Rangers appeared in Washington just before dawn. Within an hour, we had control of the metropolitan police headquarters, the broadcasting stations, and the Buro guard posts throughout the city. Shortly after sunrise, two battalions of Ranger paratroopers jumped from the old military and commercial aircraft about which you know. A command post was set up in Rock Creek Park. We had almost no trouble with the UN and Buro guards around the city. They are,as we found out early in the game, more on the order of custodians and doorkeepers than fighting infantry. The professional military forces which had plagued us for a while--Soviet, Chinese, and Indian troops--had been withdrawn for some months to deal with unrest on their home grounds.”

The book ends on an ominous note as Franklin refers to retribution: "Certain high-minded Liberals will be among the first to be executed and they will go to their deaths not understanding why."

Guided by the example of The John Franklin Letters, Pierce began writing what came to be called The Turner Diaries as installments for his tabloid Attack!. Pierce said the early installments received an enthusiastic response from readers, so he kept them going. As with The John Franklin Letters, the basic situation is a revolt against those in control of America in a future time. Instead of the Rangers, in Pierce's book it is the Organization. Within the Organization, there was an elite group to which the protagonist Earl Turner belongs called the Order. In Nazi Germany, the cadre of the best young National Socialist party members was called the Order. When I read Pierce’s book I presumed that that is where he got the name but he tells me that wasn’t the case. Instead of fighting the Buros as in the Oliver book, Earl Turner and his compatriots were taking on the System. And, of course, instead of writing letters, Earl Turner keeps a diary.

Pierce told me he wrote twenty-six chapters, of The Turner Diaries - -one for each issue of his tabloid Attack!--over a period of three-and-a-half years. He said that the one thing he made sure to do was get one piece of violence or heightened action into each episode in order to keep his readers interested. He said he knocked out the episodes quickly as deadlines were short, and that he had no idea that they would ever comprise a book. If he had known that they were going to receive as much attention as they eventually did receive, he told me, he would have tried to do better job with the writing. A number of times Pierce expressed to me that he didn't think The Turner Diaries is very well written. He seems somewhat embarrassed about the book’s literary merits. He thinks that Hunter, the novel he wrote in the mid-1980s and which has received much less attention than The Turner Diaries, is a far better-written book.




Title: Re: Did Dr William Pierce "Plagiarise" The Turner Diaries
Post by: Hidden to Guests on 15 March 2010 at 09:25
Another which may have planted the seed for both of the above mentioned books and Creativity itself is The Day After Tomorrow (also known as Sixth Column) by Robert Heinlein.

Quote from: Hidden to Guests
Sixth Column, also known under the title The Day After Tomorrow, is a science fiction novel by Robert A. Heinlein, based on a story by editor John W. Campbell, and set in a United States that has been conquered by the PanAsians, a combination of Chinese and Japanese. Originally published as a serial in Astounding Science Fiction (January, February, March 1941, as by Anson MacDonald) it was published in hardcover in 1949.

Plot summary

A top secret research facility hidden in the Colorado mountains is the last remaining outpost of the United States Army after its defeat by the PanAsians. The conquerors had absorbed the Soviets after being attacked by them and had then gone on to absorb India as well. The invaders are depicted as ruthless and cruel—for example, they crush an abortive rebellion by killing 150,000 American civilians as punishment.

The laboratory is in turmoil as the novel begins. All but six of the personnel have died suddenly, due to unknown forces released by an experiment operating within the newly-discovered magneto-gravitic or electro-gravitic spectra. The surviving scientists soon learn that they can selectively kill people by releasing the internal pressure of their cell membranes. This makes for one of the story’s most controversial plot elements—a race-selective weapon which can kill members of one race while leaving those of others unharmed.

They devise other uses for the awesome forces they have discovered, but how can a handful of men overthrow an occupation force that controls all communications and when it is a crime to print a word in English? Noting that the invaders have allowed the free practice of religion (the better to pacify their slaves), the Americans set up a church of their own and begin acting as "Priests of Mota" (Mota is atom spelled backwards) in order to build a resistance movement—which Major Ardmore, the protagonist of the book, refers to as the Sixth Column (as opposed to a traitorous fifth column).

Portrayal of racism

The book is notable for its frank and controversial portrayal of racism. The conquerors regard themselves as a chosen people predestined to rule over lesser races, and they refer to white people as slaves. "Three things only do slaves require: work, food, and their religion."

More: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Column (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Column)

You might be able to get it from http://www.monova.org/details/2289345/Robert+Heinlein.rar%09.html (http://www.monova.org/details/2289345/Robert+Heinlein.rar%09.html)

The book is often banned from public libraries and difficult to get otherwise, but it's well worth the read.

Title: Re: Did Dr William Pierce "Plagiarise" The Turner Diaries
Post by: Hidden to Guests on 15 March 2010 at 19:30
"This Planet is All Ours", Racial Loyalty, #41 (http://www.creativityalliance.com/eBook-BenKlassen-OnTheBrinkOfABloodRacialWar.pdf):

The Turner Diaries and The Order

Some ten years ago or so Dr. William Pierce wrote The Turner Diaries under the pseudonym of Andrew MacDonald. It is the story of a group of dedicated White revolutionaries who wage an underground war of relentless destruction in order to undermine and destroy the “establishment” and government in power. They blow up bridges, railroads, electrical power lines and generating plants, government buildings, and in general, wreak havoc and mayhem. It is written in the form of a diary by one of its fictional heroes, namely Earl Turner.

The Turner Diaries have one fatal and inexcusable flaw, a flaw that leaves the whole plot less than useless. Supposedly, a few generations after all this mayhem, the White Race finally finds itself in control of the government and its own destiny. What the Turner Diaries fail to explain is that the most important step – namely, how they got from Point A to Point B, how they managed to turn anarchy and revolution into control of the government. Whereas the story does describe anarchy, destruction and mayhem in great detail, it then leaves a huge gap, an unexplained lapse. The reader is left hanging in a vacuum as to how all this mayhem is supposed to be rewarded with control of the country.

Now Dr. Pierce is an honorable, highly intelligent and dedicated man whom I have met and talked to on a few occasions and for whom I have a great deal of respect. However, unfortunately the formula espoused in the Turner Diaries is not the answer to our present problem of getting the Jew off our back, and when I say this I look back to seventy years of observing history. I especially look back to the time and place I was born, namely the Ukraine in Southern Russia. When I was born in 1918, there was an abundance of anarchy, killing, destruction and warfare there in the Russian revolution, enough to last anyone a lifetime. Five million people died of starvation in the Ukraine alone. Did this wake up the people to the problem? Did it identify the enemy? Did it produce a righteous outrage to kill and destroy the enemy? Did it produce a meaningful creed and program to set the country back on the road to salvation? No, it did not. It did none of these things. People were killed by the millions (Twenty million White Russians were massacred.) Millions of people starved. People suffered. The countryside was devastated. When the dust finally settled the Jews were in firm control and, today, seventy years later they are still in control. Despite all the killing, suffering, bloodshed and devastation there were a number of essentials lacking for a White victory – (a) the White people did not know who the real enemy was; (b) they had no creed or program to unite them; (c) as a result they killed each other instead of focusing on the real enemies – the Jews. It is a situation that history is bound to repeat today in an America were we in our present uninformed state to resort to unlimited violence and destruction.

Nevertheless, a group of brave young White warriors under the leadership of Robert Matthews took the formula seriously and decided to form an underground group called Brueder Schweigen (German for Silent Brotherhood) or, also known as The Order. They launched into a program of criminal activities such as armed robbery and even managed to assassinate a filthy Jewish talk-show host by the name of Alan Berg. The end result of all this was that these brave young racial fighters, some thirty-five of them, are now behind bars, their energetic activities neutralized and thwarted, probably for the rest of their lives. Bob Matthews is dead, having died heroically in a fiery shootout against the overwhelming odds of a massive swat team launched against him by the Jewish establishment.

I believe this is an unduly heavy price to pay in terms of our young activists for the killing of one lousy Jew. If, instead they had each gone their own quiet separate ways, secretly planned and planned well a number of attacks on groups of Jews, they could, for the same price, have killed probably as many as twenty, or fifty or a hundred Jews each. The sum total price exacted for the thirty-five now behind bars could have been several hundred dead Jews, instead of one filthy talk-show host. The thing to remember is that we all have to go sometime anyway, but if we are ready to go, don’t go alone, and don’t go cheaply. Exact a heavy price from the enemy. Make it fifty to one, or a hundred to one, but not thirty-five good White warriors for one filthy Jew.

Let us take a look at some of the strikes the Arabs, who generally are none too bright, have successfully executed. A classic example is the bombing of the U.S. Marine compound in Lebanon on October 23, 1983. There we find one lone truck driver (presumably an Arab) who willingly went to his death with a big smile on his face. But as he did so, he took with him 240 of his enemies (dead) as well as hundreds of wounded. Now if we compare that maneuver to the effectiveness of what The Order episode accomplished, we find that the lone Arab was approximately 35 x 240, or more than 8000 times as effective as were each of the 35 some members of The Order. Now that, my fellow White Racial Comrades, is one hell of a difference. Let’s give this effectiveness a name. Let’s call it the Enemy Toll Effectiveness Factor (E.T.E.F.). That is an E.T.E.F. difference of 8000 to 1, comparatively. Nor does the difference in effectiveness really end there. The quality of the enemy destroyed also enters in. We must remember those killed and wounded were U.S. Marines, fighting men in the prime of their manhood, a much more meaningful action than merely killing an equal number of random riff-raff.

Or let us take a look at another successful execution by a (so far) unknown group or hit-squad who successfully executed 22 Jewish rabbis in one fell swoop. Two gunmen posing as photographers, on the morning of September 6, 1986 entered the prize new Neve Shalom synagogue in Istanbul, Turkey. They opened fire with automatic pistols, set their victims on fire and blew themselves (and their victims) up with hand grenades. Going back to our Enemy Toll Effectiveness Factor, (E.T.E.F.), the score on this one is 11 to 1, but actually, because of the place and the rabbis, the ramifications are a thousand times greater.

This surprise action frightened the hell out of world Jewry, as nothing else can. This major episode has been suppressed and played down in the world (Jewish) press. Undoubtedly the Jews feared, and rightfully so, that any amount of publicity would give the same idea to other groups throughout the world who would then be inspired to emulate similar actions.
The Jews’ fears are well founded. A few more actions like the one in Turkey and the paranoid Jews will be scared spitless (they already are) and will be taking Rabbi Meir Kahane’s advice seriously – get out while you can – head for Israel before it is too late! Nothing would please us more. Once they are all congregated in Israel and the American people stop supporting, subsidizing and protecting them, I am sure the Arabs can and will make short shrift of them.

Conversely, the Palestinians have not been doing so well recently in their rebellion against the Jewish tyrants in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Since the escalation of that uprising December 8, 1987, 210 Palestinians have been killed in exchange for only four Jews, according to Jewish news reports as of June 21. (Actually, I’m sure many more Arabs have been killed.) That is an E.T.E.F. of 52.5 to 1 in favor of the Jews, a very lopsided score indeed, and it should teach us a lesson, namely that sticks and stones are no match for machine guns. Let that be a lesson for all time! Never give up your guns!

There were several other ingredients missing in the agenda of The Order, as there were with The Turner Diaries. The most flagrant item missing was a positive creed and program for the future of the world. Both The Turner Diaries and The Order made it clear that they were against the Establishment and the present government of the United States, and they were determined to blow up the countryside and the physical plant in order to bring it down in flames and anarchy. The inference was that once the country (the U.S.A.) was in shambles and the “establishment” thereby destroyed, that the problem was solved and victory was ours. This is a rather naive conclusion, and not really any answer to anything.
What neither The Order nor The Turner Diaries made very clear was that the Jewish worldwide conspiracy was the real culprit and had to be destroyed. Nor did they spell out a format of what was to follow when it was destroyed. What kind of a world did they envision for our children and grandchildren? Were they for perpetuating the Jewish-Christian hoax? Evidently they were, since most of them were followers of Richard Butler’s preaching that we, the White Race, are the real Israelites, and Christ was our Savior. Obviously there is a schizophrenic and contradictory set of concepts in play here, a belief and attitude that is bound to produce nothing but disaster. On the one hand they are preaching Christian love and forgiveness, and on the other robbery, killing and criminality. Schizophrenic is the word indeed.

Furthermore, what did they have in mind about the rest of the world – Africa, Asia, South America, Australia, or Europe? There was no program, no clear philosophy, no consensus. Only the negative drive – blow up the countryside, bring down “the establishment.” What about using criminal means to fund their program? Was this any different than the train and bank hold-ups Stalin used to fund the Bolshevik program? In fact, many members of The Order were outright criminals before they ever joined the movement. Was criminality to be the basis of our future society? Were we going to replace one set of criminals in government with another set of criminals? Were we going to continue to hypocritically promote and espouse the Jewish-Christian blather?

In conclusion, neither The Order nor The Turner Diaries had, or have, a meaningful, comprehensive answer to the dilemma that sorely befuddles the White Race of today. At best, The Order was a group of dedicated White militants, a group to be admired. We need more dedicated White militants, and cannot afford to have them wasted ineffectively. Their intentions were noble, but their thinking was extremely confused. They reacted bravely in a violent, half-baked, knee-jerk reaction to a complex worldwide conspiracy they did not completely understand, especially the treacherous role played by Jewish-Christianity in this life and death struggle. Because of this, they reaped disastrous consequences in an ongoing racial war, a war that is going to demand millions of further White casualties. What we must make sure of is that when we do sacrifice our gallant warriors in the battle, we extract a much, much higher E.T.E. Factor, and not sacrifice ours wantonly.

However, we of the C.O.T.C. do not espouse violence, not at this time. Before we can launch open warfare or even covert warfare, we must first straighten out the confused thinking of our White Racial Comrades, and we must do it by the millions. Putting ten million White Man’s Bibles in the hands of our White Racial Comrades would put us well over the top. It would cost us less than it now costs us to subsidize the niggers and the mud races for as little as half an hour. It would be the best bargain we had ever bought for ourselves. We certainly have the resources to do so. By the time we did so, violence would probably not even be necessary. After all, Hitler and his Nazi party took over the German government without blowing up a single bridge or power plant, and with very little bloodshed. We can do the same. The C.O.T.C. has the creed and the program to do the job. One part of it is getting those first ten million White Man’s Bibles out.

Title: Re: Did Dr William Pierce "Plagiarise" The Turner Diaries
Post by: Hidden to Guests on 15 March 2010 at 23:25
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[W]e must first straighten out the confused thinking of our White Racial Comrades, and we must do it by the millions. Putting ten million White Man’s Bibles in the hands of our White Racial Comrades would put us well over the top ... We certainly have the resources to do so. By the time we did so, violence would probably not even be necessary ... The Church of Creativity has the creed and the program to do the job. One part of it is getting those first ten million White Man’s Bibles out.