I have been studying White Nationalist for same time now. I think to me; it has lots of things about it that is useful to the White race I have been studing Creativity for a few years now also. I was just wanting to see what our Creators think about this? So is White nataionalist and Creativity the SAME ???
Quote from: Br.Jim on Sat 03 Mar 2012
I have been studying White Nationalist for same time now. I think to me; it has lots of things about it that is useful to the White race I have been studing Creativity for a few years now also. I was just wanting to see what our Creators think about this? So is White nataionalist and Creativity the SAME ???
What is White Nationalism? Nationalism is counterproductive to the White race, World War II being the most obvious example to Creators.
Nationalists, especially American Nationalists almost destroyed Creativity. A long time ago I lost count of the amount of non-US Creators that went to prison because someone in power demanded that they ignore their local laws and instead OBEY the US Constitution. Another problem at one point was that American Creators claimed that Creativity belonged to America and there were attempts (sometimes successful) to remove all non-American Creators. While these are both examples of pure foolishness, they do show us how nationalism unnecessarily divides our people.
@Cailen.
I agree with the Reverends.
Creativity is White internationalist.
That is, the Church distinguishes between people on the basis of race, not nationality. So it doesn't matter if a person is an American jew or a Russian White- one is jew and one is White.
All great points. I can see where it would be hard to follow "nationalism" with the many countries that Creativity is in - world wide. Thanks for the feed back.
Quote from: Br.Jim on Fri 09 Mar 2012I can see where it would be hard to follow "nationalism" with the many countries that Creativity is in
Yes, and yet, we have learned to respect one another's cultures, knowing that something that appears odd to one may be just a cultural difference. Two thousand years of clan warfare, regional clashes and national pride and envy are only a part of what we have learned to accept. Others are gender differences, generation gaps, mistranslations et al, they can all be just as much a problem for Creators. We may not
believe in diversity or the multicultural (read multiracial) doctrines of the liberals, but the moment that Creativity shook off the shackles of American Nationalism was the moment that Creativity truly became a diverse, multicultural world Church of Creativity.
Consider this: The JOG in every formerly White nation in the world tries to suppress White culture while embracing and promoting alien non-White cultures. The United Nations itself is a global body advancing the suppression and eventual cultural and racial genocide of the White Race. We Creators on the other hand are totally opposed to the anti-White core values that the United Nations stands for and declare everything else to be pro mud hypocrisy! We embrace all of our White Brothers and Sisters, and we reject alien non-White cultures. We are a global body that lives to bring about the Salvation and Advancement of the White Race and the White Race alone. And unlike the UN's ongoing planned genocide of the White Race, we just want to ship the mud back to his homeland and cease subsidising his lifestyle and leave nature to deal with them as it should.
@Cailen.
I think it is logical for european Creators to be active within their own respective Nationalist politics. Firstly it is the first port of call in which to recruit other Creators and spread the message to an already awakened segment of society. 2, It is important to keep the Nationalist agenda "Racially correct". ie kick out none whites, expand the White race, no more white on white wars, racial purity, anti-zion and anti -judah. 3, Creators in Europe have to be underground so they can actually function, being incarcerated serves no purpose and inhibits religious growth. It serves no real purpose to be in an offshoot either. Even 20 years ago we had dozens of Creators active in the BNP and still have a contact network right up to Nick Griffin. One BNP activist even gave out about 4000 copies of NER at BNP meetings all at his own expense.
Correct. While we Creators know that politics is a waste of time, we need to be in there advising whenever we can, however we can for the benefit of the White Race. Anything else is just socialising - which of course is our PRIMARY method of recruitment.
@Cailen.
I think the definition of a "nation" in Latin actually meant a race (stirpes). The word deriving from natal "to be born from a womb". Ergo a nation was a tribe of the same race originating from a single ancestral womb. The term "nation" was applied to "Germanic" tribes living outside of the Roman Empire. The latin word "Germanen" was never used by the barbarian tribes themselves but was used by the Romans. the term "germanen" has many meanings as do most latin words. Amongst them germanen means "brothers", "sisters", "sisterhood","brotherhood", " people who all look the same", "people with common ancestry", "people whose parents are of the same race" ( this must have contrasted with the Romans of the time who had ancestors perhaps from anywhere in the Empires boundaries.) NB Source( A Latin Dictionary- Lewis and Short, Oxford Clarendon press 1879)
Interestingly the term "Germanen" today is illegal to use in what none Germans call Germany. This is because it has nazi conotations and implies racial purity.
It makes some degree of sense to call the modern "White Race" a nation. It simply means we take a more distant historical date to define our lineage. Wereas a Germanophile would include all Germanics as his "nation" with a common ancestor perhaps 8,000 years ago (when people first moved into northern europe following the end of the ice age). A white nationalist would take a more distant ancestral date of say 35,000 years ago when germanics, slavs and mediterranids all had a common ancestor.
Creators take a religious point of view that most modern white people do have some kind of ancestral admixture. the English have a bit of meditteranid ancestry. The Germans have a bit of alpine etc. In order to quell dissention and division we accept all white people. The Creativity eugenic programme of the future being able to take care of undesireable traits.
Lastly let us not forget Nietsche "those of you who choose yourselves out- one day you will be a nation- and from you will emerge the superman"
Certainly Klassen seemed to be for the ORIONist philosophy, Our race Is Our Nation. Geographical, nationalist, even linguistic differences have all been used to cause division within the White Race!
i HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE FIGHT FOR LOTS OF YEARS NOW AND ONE THING I FOUND IN COMMON WITH MOST OF THE NATIONALIST MOVEMENTS I HAVE HAD DEALINGS WITH, IS THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE LIKES THE TAG LEADER. tHIS SEEMS TO GO HAND IN HAND WITH WANTING TO WEAR A UNIFORM, AND WISHING THEY WERE BORN IN GERMANY IN THE 30S.
ONE OF MY HEROES IS MOSLEY. BUT IN HIS DAY UNIFORMS WERE NEARLY A MUST.
THE NEW BOY S ON THE BLOCK HERE IN THE UK ARE THE NEW BRITISH UNION . THE LEADER HAS ABOUT AS MUCH LEADERSHIP SKILLS AS A MONKEY IN A SHEEP PEN.
THERE ARE LOTS OF NATIONALISTS WHO JOIN MOVEMENTS LIKE THIS WITH THE TRUE WISH TO FIGHT FOR THERE PEOPLE AND COUNTRY.
BUT THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THEM TO GO THAT DOES NOT TURN OUT AS SAID ABOVE, TO BE A MOVEMENT WHO IS ONLY INTERESTED IN THERE OWN GLORY AND OTHER PEOPLES MONEY.
THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WE NEED TO GET THE WORD OUT TO. NOW BEFORE THE DISILLUSIONMENT SETS IN. AND THEY GIVE UP TRYING TO FIGHT FOR THERE RACE. CONTACT THE MOVEMENTS GROUPS ETC EVEN JOIN IF YOU MUST. BUT DO IT WITH THE AIM OF IDENTIFYING THESE PEOPLE AND GETTING THE WORD TO THEM ABOUT THE CHURCH.
I personally know dozens of former militant activist all of whom gave up long ago, a lot of it, as the previous poster points out was disillusionment with the tin-pot fuhrers, the charlatans and con-artists posing as "leaders".
Against better judgement I became friendly with a Xian nationalist only to discover my name and details were being bandied about elsewhere despite him knowing that I have both a job and family to protect.
Similarly the "NBU" publicly identified its activists for no other reason that for GR to appear to be a fantasy/internet leader.
Ben Klassen wrote at length on the Leadership Principle, a principle wholly absent in the "movement" in the UK, I could also point out that I am personally acquainted with more than a few of these "leaders".