I'd put Defendant Covington in the
Soap Opera Section, but he's a better fit here in Scum.
Though he ridicules Xianity privately, he has been an enemy of Creativity for more than two decades, siding always with the Xian Identity nutcases against Nature-based, biological racists. He hounded Ben Klassen into the grave with malicious defamations that the Founder of the COTC was a Jew pederast, among other lies.
Here is an interesting endorsement of Covington by the eccentric CI nutcase Pastor
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Quote from: Pastor Lindstedt (CI Nutjob)Originally Posted by Harold Covington
A Brief History of the White Nationalist Movement (Conclusion)
The Present Status of The White Nationalist Movement
The present status of the White Nationalist Movement may be simply stated: there isn't any.
The Movement as it has been known for the past fifty years has in essence ceased to exist. There are one or two Hollywood Nazi groups who still put on quasi Third-Reich costumes and stage 'rallies' of ten or fifteen weirdly-garbed dysfunctionals, who are pelted with garbage and missiles by hundreds of 'anti-racists' and assorted scum, and who must be protected from serious bodily harm by the bored and hostile police. These groups, however, are more of a psychiatric phenomenon than a political one. They have no relevance to anything in the real world.
What White Nationalist Movement there is exists 95% on the internet; physical activity of any kind has virtually ceased. The internet satisfies the need for White males (and a few females) to believe that they are accomplishing something, when in fact they are simply squabbling in a small playpen where the Jew allows them to shout and scream and eat bugs and make mud pies.
The latest fad appears to be playing on vBulletin boards, the largest and oldest of which is Stormfront, run by David Duke flunky Don Black. Probably the second largest vBulletin board is Vanguard News Networks, run by two alcoholics, Alex Linder and the Federal informer and miscegenator Frazier Glenn Miller (q.v..) There are about half a dozen smaller imitators such as White Nationalist Info run by the bizarre and dysfunctional 'Francis Playfair,' but basically they are all the same. The group owner and a small group of his butt buddies whom he appoints as moderators play 'King of the Hill,' amusing themselves by conducting endless, pointless flame wars with one another over nothing, and banning people who dare to disagree with them or criticize them. The White internet at this point really serves no purpose other than a cautionary tale as to how so-called White Nationalists would behave if ever they really did gain power anywhere.
Harold Covington is still soldiering on up in Washington state, trying to get people interested in Northwest Migration. He is a lone voice trying to make himself heard in the middle of a cackling, gibbering insane asylum, where the raving and cursing and babbling of the inmates to themselves drowns out any attempt to speak or think coherently. Covington is the last of his kind, he is in poor health, and no one is paying him any mind. When he goes, there will be nothing left of the old Movement.
The question is, can a new one arise?
What The Hell Is Wrong With White Nationalists?
Despite the fifty-year record of madness, criminal incompetence, deceit and perversion, the barest tip of which iceberg we have just barely touched on in the past 100 pages, the astonishing fact remains that millions of White people, probably the majority of them, actually agree with most of the central tenets of the White Nationalist belief system, when those tenets are presented calmly, coherently, articulately, and devoid of symbols and language which Americans have been conditioned from birth to reject.
So why does White Nationalism not have millions of adherents? Why is there no Movement to save God's most beautiful and noble creation from extinction? Here again, this is a subject so complex that we can only skim the high points:
1. CRIMINAL AND INCOMPETENT leadership of the kind we have just spent 100 pages describing;
2. WHITE TRASH MEMBERSHIP. No normal person wants to associate with the kind of weirdos, dysfunctionals, borderline (and not so borderline) psychotics, petty criminals, homosexual perverts, snake oil salesmen, and emotionally disturbed children of all ages who congregate in the White Nationalist movement;
3. THE BAD DRIVES OUT THE GOOD. White Nationalism will never attract the kind of solid, mature, dedicated, and committed people needed to stage a revolution in this country until the Movement as a whole cleans up its act and refuses any longer to tolerate the kind of pathological behaviors that we have just described in this report. Nor should decent and real people be asked to associate themselves with a freak show like the present White Nationalist movement. For every Harold Covington, Richard Butler, Louis Beam and Kirk Lyons, there are a hundred David Dukes, Buford Furrows, Greg Withrows, Kirsten Kaisers, Matt Koehls, Andrew Greenbaums, Frank Collins, Benny Klassens, Kevin Alfred Stroms, Bill Whites, Hardy Caroll Lloyds, 'Francis Playfairs' and other just plain kooks. It is possible to change the world with a small and dedicated and disciplined minority. It is not possible to accomplish anything with kooks.
4. THERE MUST BE A PLAN. Right now, the only actual plan or strategy which exists in the White Nationalist movement is Northwest Migration, advocated by Harold Covington but also by many others. The Movement as a whole has responded, not with support for the Northwest or by producing an alternate plan or plans, but by intensifying the already unspeakably vicious personal smear campaign directed against Covington. This behavior will either change, or the White race will perish from the face of the earth within the lifetime of infants now born. It is time for serious people in White Nationalism, what few such people there are, to either A) Quit talking * about Covington and get behind Northwest Migration, or B) Produce a viable and realistic alternate plan.
5. DYSFUNCTIONAL BEHAVIOR MUST BE DEALT WITH. The White Nationalist gene pool needs a massive dose of chlorine. Since we lack the physical courage or the competence to deal with this legion of kooks and assholes who claim to speak for us, they must be dealt with verbally and morally and however else can be done within our limited means. The kooks and creeps must be exposed, subjected to massive ridicule, shouted down and slapped down whenever they show their faces on the internet. We must stop looking the other way and stop tolerating their lies, their bull*, their smears, their public hissy fits, their weird psycho-political head games on the internet. They must be confronted even if only in cyber-space, and later on when the White man mans up a little they must be confronted physically and driven from our ranks. The future of our race and the existence of our kind depends on this. We must stop trying to get mileage out of creeps.
IF the decks can be cleared, then it may be that even at the eleventh hour, the fifty-ninth minute, and the last second, it is possible that some genuine leadership may step forth and save our race from extinction, so long as they are allowed to proceed on the basis of real-world politics and not be forced to wallow in a cesspool with kooks, weirdos, pathological liars, thieves, and middle-aged emotionally crippled children. But no serious person in his right mind will become involved with the White Nationalist movement as it is today. Before a new tenant can move into the premises, the house must be cleaned and the trash must be taken out. It's a matter of life and death.
Hey, hey! Ho ho!
Movement dysfunctionals have to go!
That's what I like about Harold Covington -- he states the obvious so well. What I especially liked, and around which I tailored this thread, is [bowel] Movement v-bulletin forums, which have overtaken e-mail trees and jewhoogruppen forums as the places which the Movement communicated from 1995 to 2003 or so. Essentially the Movement feebenfuerher and his feeb friends form a forum for a few hundred dollars per year and try to make for theysselfs a little kingdom from which dissent is first jewlagged, then banned. What is accomplished? Little or nothing. What is forgotten? That this forum medium can be used for propaganda and communication, and that the effective communicator can use it accordingly. (And whigger and mamzer flaming is fun. Verbal combat teaches you how to deal with hecklers and feebs.)
This phenomenon arose with $permFront and then VNNF. Their forums essentially destroyed their web pages, as $permFront's is essentially dust and Alex Linder has farmed it out to some feeb named 'Socrates' who often has links to VNNForum or to old William Pierce re-runs. The thing about these forums is that the web page invariably dies or never exists on the same domain name as the V-Bulletin Forum.
The former home of Internut activism used to be the yahoo groups. But jewhoo censored out Nazi or WN content and so they had to go secret and non-public. That ended up with smaller jewhoogroups filled with spies and feds keeping an eye on these net nutzis and any complaint ended up with the removal by jewhoo of the offending jewhoo gruppen.
At the same time, the rise of phpbb, but especially V-Bulletin Forums like $permFront and VNNF meant the Movement migrated from censorship by jews to . . . . censorship by bowel Movement feebs. $permFront actually provided a modest living for Don Black and funneled traffic towards David Duke's web pages. Alex Linder and his VNN, never paying for its own upkeep, was actually run by Billy Roper and Roper's White Revolution group until TraitorGlenn Miller provided federal funding. The very cheapness of the v-bulletin software and web hosting led to where rich kids like Fade the Butcher with a bit of money could set up their own private forum, and claim to be sympathetic to White Nationalism, and pretty much set up a toy for himself and his college buddies to play with. Never mind that dissent was often jewlagged -- placed into a confinement sub-forum like a zoo for the posting animal -- it allowed White Nationalists to post as they did please before a bigger audience than the jewhoogruppen allowed and without the immanent threat of censorship by jews.
As web hosting got cheaper, essentially anyone in the Movement who had time and allowed some degree of freedom of speech brought up his own forum. Upon getting a core audience, the Movement forum feebenfuerher could then afford to jewlag, then ban his opposition or dissent under the very same excuse used by jewhoogruppen -- a terms of service violation. As Covington points out, bowel Movement forums teaches anyone who looks how these whigger nutsionalist feebs will treat their own people each and every time they have power.
Christian Identity forums invariably use phpbb forums because they are free software, often on free hosting, but because they are more austere than v-bulletin forums and thus attract a more serious poster. But v-bulletin with its light strength and power and beauty, is the Movement choice for forums.
Covington doesn't have any v-bulletin forums, not because of his poverty alone, but because Covington himself doesn't take criticism well. Covington has been in the Movement for over 30 years, but is utterly incompetent at leadership and administration. Covington's forte is attacking other Movement leaders -- who need attacking -- but one always gets the impression that Covington would make the same mistakes if in a position to abuse his power. Covington cannot control a v-bulletin forum -- not with his 666 sock-puppets and 6 followers. And thus Covington sticks to his blogs and his jewhoogruppen where he can control it through censorship and logging on yet another sock-puppet to worship Tubby, saying, "jew're the greatest, HAC." I myself was banned from one of Covington's jewhoogruppen and then got to watch while Covington created a 'Martin Lindstedt' sock-puppet which posted "George, George, George of the Jungle" posts and Covington pretended it was me doing the deranged posting.
Additionally Covington loved to post how crazy I am, while Covington's family tells the SPLC that Covington suffers from paranoid schizophrenia. But both our families have turned out to be disappointments to us. And it is far better to be deemed crazy in a whigger world than to be typical -- something Covington should keep in mind.
The [bowel] Movement is full of whiggers and muds and jews playing at Revolution. It is also full of whigger feebs who make their own claim, while anonymous, as to how their rivals and those who are actually do something need to be kicked out of the Movement.
This is idiotic. There is no licensing boards for White racists. Every little feebenfuerher has his own little following. Otherwise Covington would have been purged from it long ago.
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Quote from: Pastor Lindstedt (CI Nutjob)Whenever I said something that some other militia general would have a fit over, I'd simply tell him that my militia gang could whup his militia gamg because they were more violent. If anyone bitched about my advocacy of violence, then they would be ridiculed as liars, fools and cowards, much like the Bolsheviks ridiculed the Social Democrats. White Nationalism has always been making fun of whigger pussazoids because elections and korts have always been destructive of our goals and we have no choice but to use violence to achieve our ends.
I've talked at length to Louis Beam and David Lane via his wife Katya, and they were dubious about Harold Covington, other than as a writer. It is presumptious for Covington to place himself amongst them. Nor is Covington going to confront anyone at all, either via the Internut nor certainly in person. Most Movement 'leaders' like Alex Linder and TraitorGlenn Miller are noted physical cowards. It is far more likely that a fight will break out between undisciplined followers than rival leaders. Every Movement leader finds out that the first order of business is to get a forum or place where he can safely * upon his rivals. That is the first order of business. Not White Nationalism. Not creating a functioning Movement. Rather collecting funds from the feeble-minded followers and flunkies.
How is Movement Leadership decided? ZOG wants to have it decided by their false-flag operations like $permFront and VNNF and the tame anti-immigrunt and anti-dem or Flush Rimblow operations. This is how you figure out the genuine Movement article: jewlagged or killed by ZOG. Covington shows that he is the genuine article because of his poverty. Some of that is Covington's fault, but ZOG hasn't helped Covington out any.
Movement leadership is determined by survivorship. Standing against ZOG and fighting for our People. Never allowing a jew or a mud or a whigger regime criminal to run over Whites. Sifting out loyalties. Never compromising an inch over the necessity to exterminate the jews, niggers, mamzers and whiggers who support ZOG/Babylon. Going after any 'White Nationalist' leader or follower who has anything good to say about jews, muds, whiggers or who sells out or compromises with ZOG.
Things are going to turn rough. So one needs a forum in which to posit the hatred and antipathy which heartens our side and disheartens the enemy. If one does not exist, then one forms a forum. $permFront and VNNF have degenerated quite a bit in the past year from a degenerate beginning of 10,000 whiggers posting a million whigger 'MuhDikkk!' posts. Places like StumbleInn and the forum I am creating is a place for true 'Free Speech For Whites.' VNNF promised it, then reneged after the Christmas Coup of 2004. Phorafags/feebs promised it, but imperfectly delivered it to where jews, balkan mamzers, and whiggers have the free speech and the White man is jewlagged. StumbleInn delivers on free speech for Whites because it doesn't have pretensions of being high-brow.
A free speech forum for Whites tends to not have very many jews and mamzers. After all, such cannot exist for long in a hostile sterile environment. This is why I often go to where the jews, mamzers and whiggers are on phorafags/feebs and fight with them over there. It is carrying the fight to the enemy which wins victories.
So I am going to open up a v-bulletin forum of my own, overtly White Nationalist in orientation. I already have such a forum in phpbb which I use as a blog which allows the Dual-Seedline Christian Identity (DSCI) clergy to have their own subforum in which only the Pastor can post. They also have a place where their church members and others can respond to their announcements, sermons and other places. The goal of this Aryan Nations forum is a place where each DSCI pastor can post and have exclusive control over his own content. This is what suits a networked DSCI confederacy of aboveground pastors each working together but separately and with full sovereignity on their own subforum.
Likewise, I shall open up a White Nationalist v-bulletin forum in which each White Nationalist personality can have complete control over his own subforum and the attached subforum, can ban or exclude those who they do not wish to let post but must live with whatever occurs in the main and other subforums run by other WN leaders.
And so, I wish to extend Harold Covington an offer for his own subforum which he can run as he pleases, but has no control over others running their subforums or over the main forum. I think that HAC has some sharp elbows and can fend for himself. His writing, both his own and his sockpuppets, is superior in most respects (although I think it comes to a wrong conclusion). By giving him a chance to post his old content he can put it to a process of debate -- if he dares.
Likewise the same offer will be extended to John DeNugent for his subforum. He has the option of removing subforum pigeon* from Captn Mamzer or banishing a thread to his own private jewlag if he wishes.
The goal is to attract attention by posting higher quality White Nationalist material for debate on the article's merit. This benefits all concerned as it brings both an audience and something better worth reading -- a Cagle Post for White Nationalists.
http://www.caglepost.com/
The question is whether there is room for a White Nationalist forum run with advocating Resistance policy in mind, which policies forged by debate and tempered with consensus, or whether yet another whiggroid 'MuhDikkk!!!' forum shall result. It depends upon the courage of the posters that they are right for them to chance ridicule and opposition when placing their little brain child to scrutiny.
Dare you try it, Covington?
Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
www.pastorlindstedt.org/forum
Note the highlighted portion where Pastor Lindstedt says HAC is the real thing because of his poverty.
That recent posting was found here: http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=90985
Lindstadt knows full well that Covington owes me $200,000 and has been in hiding from the libel judgment which I've managed to execute several times whenever I can locate anything he owns and attach it.
I'm banned from VNN forum where this was found, so most folks there are unaware that I prevailed in Williams v. Covington, but not ol'-timer "Steve B". See post #20 here:
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Originally Posted by Gott [of Lindstedt]
Covington doesn't have any v-bulletin forums, not because of his poverty alone, but because Covington himself doesn't take criticism well. Covington has been in the Movement for over 30 years, but is utterly incompetent at leadership and administration.Covington's forte is attacking other Movement leaders -- who need attacking -- but one always gets the impression that Covington would make the same mistakes if in a position to abuse his power. Covington cannot control a v-bulletin forum -- not with his 666 sock-puppets and 6 followers. And thus Covington sticks to his blogs and his jewhoogruppen where he can control it through censorship and logging on yet another sock-puppet to worship Tubby, saying, "jew're the greatest, HAC." I myself was banned from one of Covington's jewhoogruppen and then got to watch while Covington created a 'Martin Lindstedt' sock-puppet which posted "George, George, George of the Jungle" posts and Covington pretended it was me doing the deranged posting.
Steve B:
I believe Covington tried that shit with Will Williams and got whacked to the tune of a couple hundred grand in an defamation lawsuit Williams brought against him.
I bet dollars to doughnuts if you start up your forum and Tubby starts posting Will (if you f*** with the bull you get the horns) Williams will be on it in a heartbeat.
For those that don't know Weird Harold Covington: About 50% of that article is correct, but don't get sucked in by Weird Harold's tactic of taking the truth and making himself the saviour of all that is good and holy. Weird Harold has made his myth by doing just that and defaming everyone who doesn't fall to their knees and prostrate themselves in his presence - and then stabbing those who do in the back while they have their eyes averted.
Will, if you write something up about your suit against Weird Harold, I'll chuck it on the legal site at http://rahowanow.com (http://rahowanow.com) It might be a good idea so that Creators can report his whereabouts to you ;)
@Cailen.Note: Last known location for HAC was Southern Texas, living as a hobo on his son's couch.
Quote from: Rev.Cambeul.PM on Fri 20 Mar 2009...but don't get sucked in by Weird Harold's tactic of taking the truth and making himself the saviour of all that is good and holy.
Amen to that, Brother!
Years ago, Tubby Covington posted an article he tapped up on VNN about how Klassen was a child-molester and a closet homo. That right there more or less turned me off to any of his pleadings, and it set in my mind the notion that he didn't like to be out-shined by greater minds. Also there was the fact that our own White Will had to lock horns with him and then Tubby ran away like a little girl.
Has anyone ever seen any pictures of Tubby recently? What I can find online shows a grossly-overweight lardball who must be approaching 400lbs. Definitely not leadership material at all, IMHO.
Eric Thomson: Letter to Harrell
7-7-06
Exuberant Summer Greetings, Harrell! Many thanks, indeed for your letter of 28 June & the great enclosures. There is lots to read, as you say. When I was an academic student of International Relations, as opposed to a non-academic student, as I am today, a professor told me that obtaining information was not the problem. Information is available in increasing over-abundance. The problem is twofold: finding important information & then analyzing what is deemed important. The question then becomes: WHO will analyze it? A jew will sort out information in terms of its relevance to jews. That is why our foreign & domestic policies are in such a mess – for Whites! As you observe, the USA is not a White country, if it ever was, so the White Minority is just one nation among several nations on U.S. territory, but Whites do not comprehend this fact. This indicates that Whites are not as smart nor as perceptive as are non-Whites, who think demographically, & who behave according to their knowledge. Knowledge should alter behavior, so Whites either do not know or they behave as if they do not want to know about racial reality. The results for Whites are the same in either case. Several writers have pointed out the fact that "White American" is an oxymoron, since Judeo-Americanism is anti-White. One jew pundit said it right: "I am not a hyphenated jew. I am 100% jew, & nothing else!" Whites must behave likewise, in terms of being pro-White in thought, word & deed. Whatever we decide (for no decision is also a decision), our choice is: to be or not to be. What is simple is often most difficult to achieve.
Yes, terror on behalf of tyranny is an old recipe for herding sheeple to their slaughter, after their fleecing. That is why Christians are taught to be good sheep. Christinsanity is lethal to its carriers, as it is profitable to its shepherds, who are wolves in disguise. I recall a tale of Spanish combatants whose ship, part of The Armada, was sinking in a storm. Most of the men grabbed anything which would float, as life-preservers, but one devout Jesus juicer grabbed a large cross of gold & jumped into the waves, so he proceeded to the bottom like a rocket. As our political, economic & demographic situation worsens, the Christ-eaters cling ever more fiercely to their means of execution. Belief in miracles aside, it may be argued that the Christinsane wish to die on behalf of their god (s), who teaches them to love their enemies. In the jolly movie, "Wicker Man," the christling goes up in flames to meet his god, while the pagans burn him as their offering to their god. As the lord of the island tells the sacrificial victim: "You get what you want & we get what we want, by the same deed." I guess we could call that a "win-win" deal. Double-double good! Thanks for the reference in regard to "The Gospel Truth..." by Holub.
Thanks for the term, "Episcopagan," which one correspondent said was the way to go: change Churchianity from within, rather than confront it from without. Dr. Oliver wrote that the Abolitionists 'interpreted' Christian doctrine as anti-slavery, which it never was. In fact, Christinsanity was devised FOR slaves, not masters, as were chains & shackles. When the masters put on shackles, all are doomed to go to the bottom! Over time, Christinsanity may be cured, as Hitler suggested, by means of an indirect approach, but there was insufficient time for this to be done in the brief era of The Third Reich. Episcopagans & their like have a new god: Tolerance for all forms of belief & behavior, so long as the outward labels & wrappings are retained. Such a deal! By making Christinsanity appear to be all things to all men, the cult diffuses, for multiple meanings become equivalent to meaningless, or as one fool of fiction said: "A word means precisely what I want it to mean, neither more nor less!"
As for those who would 'destroy' jews by becoming jews, I am reminded of alcoholics who claim to hate alcohol so much that they immediately combat it, by consuming it, to the last drop! I guess we could call such Alcoholic Identity proponents "Heroes of Sobriety (for Others)." Other writers have observed that there is no victory in becoming like one's enemy.
The stories of Hitler's "escape" from Berlin in 1945 appear in strange places, the most recent being "Gestapo Chief," by Gregory Douglas. Allegedly, the body of a 'Hitler-double' was burnt &/or buried on the grounds of the Reichskanzlei, so no one would look for the escaped Hitler, if they thought him dead, just as Dr. Goebbels announced on the radio. Ambassador Averill Harriman allegedly wrote in his autobiography that "Stalin" told him Hitler had escaped to Argentina, as if it were no big deal! Admiral Byrd's "Operation Highjump" to Antarctica in 1947 was allegedly mounted to find Hitler & his Last Battalion in German Antarctica, but proved to be a fiasco, for unknown reasons. Thanks for the 'Hitler photo' with his handkerchief 'disguise.' Who could ever guess? Ha!
The tales of Hitler's Escape parallel with the current Christ-craze of "The Da Vinci Code." So who was the 'stunt-double' who was nailed to the cross, &c., if not Jesus? I guess that brave man was the New Testament equivalent of Hitler's Rudolf Hess! Oy veh!
It appears that Mike [---] is no longer with us. After his move from Fargo, ND, to Eugene, OR, he wrote to me that he'd suddenly run out of money & was facing eviction from his apartment. I wrote back to him, but my letter was returned as "Undeliverable as addressed." I understand that he was diabetic. Mike was a Jesus-loving Yahweh-hater, as we know. His version of Jesus was "the scourge of the money-changers," which is out of fashion these days!
Covington may have crossed ZOG's Rubicon in regard to advocating secession, rather than migration. I wrote to him that secession has been illegal since 1861, but migration is not, as yet, under ZOG. After my return to the USA in 1992, I advised him to drop his political pretensions in favor of fiction. It has been legal to describe all manner of violent stuff & to predict political/economic/demographic trends in terms of fiction & non-fiction, BUT not to advocate such things. Our present ZOG-log of legal precedents shows the current trend of equating advocacy as conspiracy & conspiracy as "terrorism" which is still undefined, for ZOG's convenience. The international arrests of Internet chatroom 'conspirators' is the most recent example that ZOG is reaching for excuses to round up people, as per the recent Liberty City, FL, round up of Black Moslems, based on a ZOG agent provocateur's advocacy of acts of terror, with no means, nor plan nor date for the commission of such acts. The entrapped ZOG targets merely applauded the agent provocateur's ideas, aside from legally snapping pictures of "targets". For that, they are charged as "terrorists" & "conspirators." Covington has done no less in his activities & writings, so my message is to beware of him. Rockwell & Stoner learned that failure to denounce a ZOG agent provocateur to the ZOG is deemed a crime, so they were thrown in jail for the words & deeds of a government agent, on the basis of their silence! They played no role in the agent's scheme, but heard what he said.
Covington promotes the sale of his Great White Hopeland artifacts, such as flags & other regalia, which clearly show secessionist beliefs, which his fiction also promotes. Further to this folly is his connection with a letterhead outfit in Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, which styles itself as "The NW Pioneer ARMY." (My emphasis.) Their cards depict an AK-47 logo with 88! the code for "Heil Hitler!" Such things are illegal in Canada, so the "Army" is very likely a ZOG-op, as was Grant Bristow's CSIS-directed "Heritage Front," with the late Wolfgang Droege as its frontman. I warned Covington that the matter is out of his control, for all CANZOG need do is to sound the alarm about "Nazi terror cells" in B.C., in order to trigger FEDZOGUSA's round up of all those on Covington's mailinglist. I am not wishing to be alarmist, but I see such a possibility as quite logical in terms of ZOG's goals. Covington's role in Rhodesia was that of agent provocateur, whether he was aware of it or not. I strongly suspect that he was aware of it then, & he is aware of it now, for people rarely bestir themselves without valid reasons for doing so, unless they are crazy, which may be Covington's only out. He has been far too capable to be stupid, & far too consistent!
As you may know, I am far too busy with correspondence to travel to The District of Corruption for a pow-wow, as well as lacking the requisite ZOGbucks to do so. Were I rich in $, I could leave my secretary in charge, board my executive jet, & participate in The Barnes Review Conference, so I could return to Brownest Yakima, The Bulawayo of Central Washington, a.s.a.p. On second thought, were I that rich, why would I be in Yakima?
If you ever find it convenient, I'd enjoy your visit, & I could show you 'all' the local tourist attractions. One recent visitor thought he was in Nogales on the AZ-Mexican border. I said, that's why I thought he'd like Yakima, which strikes me about the same. "Great White Hopeland" indeed! Obviously, the ball is in ZOG's court in regard to "Covingtonia, the Gem of the Ocean."
All the best, as always, & ORION!
Eric
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Most Creators have never been involved in a "Movement Soap Opera" as scummy as this one with Tubby Covington, the man who has smeared Creativity Founder "Benny Buttfuck" Klassen, as he likes to call him, as a Jew pederast, for more than 20 years. Here, his defender/promoter Pastor Lindstedt, a CI nut extraordinaire, has given HAC a new platform for his smears: http://www.pastorlindstedt.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=61&p=200#p200
Please, no Creator should participate on this man's forum unless he knows what he is talking about. I'll handle these gadflys myself. I posted this there today:
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Hey, Fat Man!
You wrote this to me:
You were one of those, who before I got arrested but after my grandchildren were taken away called me a 'child molester' yourself -- many times....
So I simply lump you typical [bowel] Movement turds in with the rest of the regime criminals who destroyed my family and took the better part of four years out of my life and who are still hunting me: Upon a successful Revolution there are to be 150 million whiggers and 140 million muds and jews to be exterminated root and branch in this civil war that we call the Great Tribulation without mercy.
Oooh, that's scary. You and Covington and 10 million christlings are going to murder 290 million people, and I, "Whigger Swill," am to be one of them.
Five years ago you were yapping about having TraitorGlenn Miller file a lawsuit against me for libel. Nothing ever come of it. I keep on looking for trial records about how you were awarded any money from Covington like getting a prize from a crackerjack box. I can't find anything.
That's because it's none of your business, Fat Man. Defendant Covington knows of all executions of my duly-obtained libel judgment. You can ask him, but brace yourself for another lie.
I do think that if you can sue Covington for libel, then why can't I sue you and StevieBuck and TraitorGlenn Miller or Alex Linder for libel and slander myself?
I don't know. Why can't you? The statute of limitations for defamation claims is one year in NC. You're going to have to do better than claim I said you were a child molester four years ago on an Internet discussion board. You haven't shown me where I ever did that. I do not believe I ever did that.
You criticize Stormfront and VNN forum, but I should remind you that I am "permabanned" from both of those sandboxes because the owners apparently don't like my criticisms of their "big tent" approaches.
It seems to me that these 'supposed associates' of TraitorGlenn Miller might include not only Alex Linder, but StevieBuck and you, Will Williams. Let me remind you that I could not only go through TraitorGlenn's records, but Linder's -- and yours in discovery. And I could joinder you as a co-conspirator under Dennis v. Sparks, 449 U.S. 24.
Good luck "joindering" me in you goofy, threatened lawsuit, much less "going through my records." You really are crazy, Fat Man.
Why, I imagine that Harold Covington could make an appearance as a co-Plaintiff against you, demanding that your bogus judgment be dismissed as you use it to destroy the rights of not only him, but others to free speech. Any libel suit, especially a bogus one, gives you no right to impede the free speech of others.
Mine is not "bogus." Defendant Covington has been running like a frightened bunny rabbit from it for over ten years now. Get a grip on that fantastic imagination of yours, Fat Man.
In any case, WhiggerSwill, you don't bring clean hands to any lawsuit. None. I don't know what your lawsuit against Covington was about. Covington has lied about everyone in the Movement, and in many instances told the truth. It is both the truth-telling and the lying which has made of him a pariah.
Truth-telling doesn't make one a pariah; lying does. I sued your lying buddy for publishing his outrageous lies about me. You acknowledge he's "lied about everyone in the Movement," yet you are OK with that. You're right when you say you don't know what my lawsuit against "Big Lie" Covington was all about. Hell, you think his malicious smears of others is A-OK. What it was about was that I called him to account for his outrageous lies. That's how one deals with a famicidal maniac at this stage of the revolution.
I've decided to set aside my hurt feelings against Covington in the interests of letting him have a free speech forum on a White Nationalist free speech forum...Now I don't like or respect you any, WhiggerSwill...You CreaTard or a-theistic self-worshipping whigger feebs don't get to tell us Dual-Seedline Christian Identity people what to do -- any more than ZOG does...In any case, if it's a fight you want, I'm judgment proof and you will have to crawl out of jewr hole and with jewr ZOG handlers to fight in kort openly, if its a fight you want. I'd say that you ZOG rats will prefer to skulk in the corner and in the dark where you belong.
Huh? Covington thought he was judgment-proof, too, fool. I'm not going to fight with you, Fat Man. I'm neither skulking nor hiding from anyone. Your Fat Friend, Defendant Tub o' Lard, is. Are you saying he's not hiding from my judgment?
I asked you the following five years ago here: http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=3109&page=5
Again, Mr. Lindstadt. Were you a fool and a traitor when you were such an enthusiastic apologist and defender of the treasonous fraud, "Big Lie" Covington? If so, at what moment did you quit being a fool and a traitor and start believing me about Covington? I was telling you all along the same thing Katja Lane told you and you finally came to admit: that Covington is a liar. You were living a lie then, Mr. Lindstadt, and you are living an even bigger lie still today. Remember, your words: believers in lies are destroyed by those lies. Were you destroyed by Tubby? Why in the world did it take you so many years to see through Covington's fraud? Everything I said about him was true and everything he said about me and Dr. Pierce and Ben Klassen and Tom Metzger was a lie, but you deeply believed for years that the opposite was true because it FIT with your own criticism of us "traitors" that Tub o' Lard smeared so maliciously with his deliberate libels. Were you gullible then? Could it be that you are still gullible today about this imaginary Jesus teat you suckle? That's some thin nourishment, Fat Man!
You replied back then:
You are dishonest. All Katya Lane told me about Covington was that sooner or later that I would grow tired of his lies, twice. Why is it that you refuse to listen to what the wife of David Lane thinks of his betrayer, who openly in his own book calls Lane a murderer of some obnoxious jew?
For what it is worth, if you were honest with yourself and others, I despise Covington far more than I do you because Covington lied for years about how he really felt about Christian Identity -- that we were to be used as cannon-fodder for his pet nutzis. Whereas you have never hidden your hatred and fear of us Identity Christians. Have you not thought that the reason that I supposedly believed all of Hac's lies (which I did not) was because you had shown yourself to be so self-worshipping that anything you said had to be taken with a grain of salt -- just like Covington's lies?
Yeah, Fat Man, sure. The reason you were so sucked in by Tubby's monumental smears of others and agreed with him was because those he smeared were all biological racists who reject the notion that a serious Jew-fighter can worship the Jewish tribal god, Yahweh. I neither hate nor fear CI followers, it's just as you say, though, I strongly rebuke their justification for Our Cause as grounded in Jewish Scriptures. That does not make me or my fellow "Creatards" "self-worshippers," except in the best sense of the acronym ORION: Our Race Is Our Nation. Our race is also our religion, but ORIOR just doesn't have that same ring to it.
So, go forward with your lawsuit against "Whigger Swill," Fat Man. I look forward to seeing your buddy Defendant Covington show up as witness for Plaintiff, or, especially, as you threaten, a "co-Plaintiff." :lol:
Quote from: Rev.Cambeul on Fri 20 Mar 2009
Will, if you write something up about your suit against Weird Harold, I'll chuck it on the legal site at http://rahowanow.com (http://rahowanow.com) It might be a good idea so that Creators can report his whereabouts to you ;)
@Cailen.
Creators have a thoroughly documented enemy in Harold A. Covington. He's easy to fight and defeat because he's such a hopeless liar and bonafide coward.
Creativity represents Truth. Sometimes Truth must confront Lies. Williams v. Covington is one of those rare opportunities with which to draw a clear contrast between the Liars (them) and the Truth-tellers (us). Those who want to see how that works, go here:
http://www.pastorlindstedt.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=61&p=219#p219 (http://www.pastorlindstedt.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=61&p=219#p219) This is a classic clash between Nature-based Creativity and Jew-spawned Xianity.
There are ways Creators can help, but I'd prefer that it be behind the scene, only with those designated with the "need to know," like with this SPG
WARNING! This is not put in the "Scum" section for naught. In a fight with a skunk, even a dog with a pedigree is likely to come up smelling like the skunk he just easily dispatched. Fighting skunks is not for the weak-stomached.
Duel seed line nutcase and friend of Tubby, Pastor Lindstedt, has allowed me to post to his "free speech" discussion board. I started a thread there with the subject title 'Williams v. Covington' about a week ago, offering a $400 reward to anyone providing a valid street address for Defendant Covington.
I hadn't checked in there since, but now see that Covington has posted some of his standard spam from five years past to that thread. So, I get to ask him some questions.
Creators be warned: If you read Covington's post you'll see he repeats his "Benny Buttfuck Klassen" smears.
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Re: Williams v. Covington
Post by Will Williams » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:12 am
You're off topic Defendant Covington. Nobody wants to read your 5-year old birthday card to yourself.
I'm glad you popped in, however. You aren't very good at being responsive, but please comment on the fact that both of your estranged brothers, Ben and Forrest, have now confirmed that you are a delusional paranoid schizophrenic, and have been suffering from mental illness at least since you were a schoolboy in Chapel Hill.
For starters, your brother Ben recently said this about you:
Harold tells a story about when he had his great racial epiphany. He
talks about the day he was in school and two or three black kids
cornered him in the bathroom between classes. According to him, the
black kids were up to thuggery and he, bravely, of course, grabbed a
Pepsi bottle, smashed it, and fought his way out, bloodying his foes and
covering himself in glory. He learned from this, of course, that he
could stand up righteously and defend himself as a free white man.
The true story is significantly different. Harold was indeed confronted
by three black kids in the bathroom during class change, but rather than
bravely breaking a bottle and fighting his way through, he cowered in a
corner and urinated in his pants. He waited until class change was done
and went to the office covered in tears and urine. The office called my
mother, she took a change of clothes, picked him up at school.
You talk a lot about cowardice. You write about others "projecting" their own shortcomings onto you.
Isn't it true, Defendant Covington, that all along it has been you projecting your own cowardice and your inability to tell the truth onto others, and not the inverse as you claim?
Is Ben a liar, too. Is Forrest? Forrest said that when you are off your meds your brain chemistry gets all screwed up and you become extremely delusional, like his psychotic friend Wendall Williamson did when he shot and killed those those innocents in Chapel Hill after going off his meds. http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/128924/ He said you should be institutionalized to protect society, just like his ol' friend Wendall is locked away so he doesn't hurt anybody else when he's off his meds.
I posted the following at in the comments section of VNN's Main Page today. I'm inviting interested readers to click on my name which brings them here:
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=5528&cpage=2#comment-113702 (http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/?p=5528&cpage=2#comment-113702)
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Will Williams Says:
15 August, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Blackshirt Says: 14 August, 2009 at 3:02 am
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"New America" says:
"Well, damn it, Covington has provided the Vision, and removed all of the excuses."
Total Covington... the endless self promoter. I read his stuff about 15 years ago and he is still the same. When he attacked Dr. Pierce and Tom Metzger he was in the shitcan for me.
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Blackshirt Says: 14 August, 2009 at 11:17 pm
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"I'm a fan of Harold Covington because he defines the most important issue of our time"
I seriously doubt you are a "fan" of Covington, you most likely ARE Covington. Answer me this Harold, why don't you acknowledge the conversation about you above? What do you have to say about your past actions and statements against Tom Metzger, Will Williams and Dr. Pierce?
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New America is not Covington. HAC wouldn't be so sloppy with the "facts," as he has repeated them for around thirty years. NA can't duplicate HAC's style. The more he writes the more it's easy to see, to one familiar with HAC's unique phraseology. "Martin" could be HAC, but is likely Pastor Martin Lindstadt, another fan of HAC's. Lindstat is permabanned from VNNF, too, but has allowed me to openly challenge Defendant Covington ('Williams v. Covington' in "WN Lounge") on his discussion board. One can get a glimpse of how HAC defends himself from Plaintiff Williams from here. Be warned, Pastor Lindstadt, he of the Double-Seedline doctrine, doesn't care much for VNNF and doesn't hold back saying so on his own free speech forum:
http://www.pastorlindstedt.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=121 (http://www.pastorlindstedt.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=121)
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"The largest v-bulletin forums, $permFront and VNNF/TGMNNF are simply ZOG false-fronts, designed to get the whiggers to act like deranged cattle chasing they'se shit-encrusted tails with their teef. VNNF was always hostile to Christians, be they CI or otherwise..."
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Entertaining stuff, if you can follow all his self-invented slang. Lindstadt doesn't care much for me — calls me "Whigger Swill, the Creatard" — but he allows me to say my piece, uncensored. That's more than I can say for a dozen or so other "pro-White" boards.
No offense, "Irma Grese," (I've only noticed one post of yours), but if I were to guess which poster in this thread is a HAC sockpuppet, it would be you, the other half of New America's tag team.
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Irma Grese Says: 14 August, 2009 at 2:48 am
New America, do you have a webpage or a blog?? Because your writing & ideas are very intelligent and very compelling and I would very much like to read moar!
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New America then posts Covington's links. The trained eye has seen this particular ploy used by HAC many times.
Socrates, will you please consider putting up Kevin Strom's two-part "White Zion" ADV transcript on the Main page? It would be from back around 2003. It would provide a more proper background for a Pierce vs. Covington discussion. White Zion vs. Big tent, Xian-friendly "Butler Plan."
Parsifal, you can just click on my name Will Williams in blue and it takes you to the Creativity Alliance site where you can sign up and send me a PM. You'll like the company there — not a Xling in the crowd. No arguing there any more than our kinsmen would argue with each other in their Xian churches. The makings of a true vanguard. Tell 'em Will sent you.
Reverend W,
R! It is good to be here. I am honoured to be here. I do hope that you are able to collect from covington. I doubt he has much but I hope you get him for whatever he's got. I read the libel with which he tried to smear upon our Beloved Founder. So pathetic. I ran that article right through the shredder. He could never come close to being the philosopher, leader and visionary that our Beloved Founder was. When covington shuffles off to jewish gehenna he will be forgotten completely. Beloved Founder's vision will live for a million years. He is jealous and will leave behind no contribution. Such scum. To jewish hell with him!
Comrades, take this enemy of Creativity seriously. He is being promoted as legitimate by more and more people who don't know his sorry history as a political saboteur. TOQ, FYI, is The Occidental Quarterly, the scholarly journal associated with Dr. Kevin MacDonald and other top "WN" writers; TOQ is even promoting Covington by reviewing his fiction favorably, with no disclaimer.
When you have some time, if you have the stomach for such scum, hit a couple of links in this "comment" I just sent to an Occidental Dissent thread for current developments. It's still "awaiting moderation" and may or may not ever be seen since I indict the board's owners/mods in this for linking their readers to Northwest Front, Covington's fraudulent organization -- again, without any disclaimer.
One link is for Covington's latest weekly podcast in which he continues to maliciously libel Creativity, describing the sacrificial "goat dancers" of "Benny Klassen."
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/03/08/re-covington-an-apology/#comment-43346 (http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/03/08/re-covington-an-apology/#comment-43346)
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This is my response to Covington's nutcase cohort in post #99
Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
http://whitenationalist.org/forum (http://whitenationalist.org/forum)
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on 28 Mar 2010 at 8:49 pm
Will Williams
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Quote: Prozium [to Defendant Covington]
I don't have a problem with the Northwest Front. We link to your site. I don't care about the sockpuppet issue or the movement drama you have with Will Williams either. If White Nationalists want to join your crusade in the Northwest, I wish them the best of luck.
Note: The podcasts you are doing are really good. We tune in every week.
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I was wondering why Occidental Dissent would continue to link to such such a documented fraud as Defendant Covington. Now it's clear why.
It's not about the "drama" (Williams v. Covington), nor Covington's imaginary NW Army of sockpuppets; it's because Greg Johnson, Hunter Wallace and Gregory Hood don't care that Covington is a well-documented lying fraud. They love his "brilliant" writing and the way he reads his stuff on his weekly radio show (which he had to launch to get around "JOGbot" Williams control of the internet).
Thanks for the link. I'm listening to Defendant Covington reading his latest weekly "radio" script: http://www.northwestfront.org/rfn/rfn032510.mp3 (http://www.northwestfront.org/rfn/rfn032510.mp3) This is the big one that he hesitated to record, but had to because it's cryptically "already out of his hands."
Wow! That really is some great "radio." Just think of all the newbies who will be wondering who the "goat dancers" he talks about are. That's his well-known euphemism for Creators, followers of Ben Klassen's Creativity religion for Whites, BTW. Some of us who've been around for more than a few months know that, of course.
Woops, he slipped up and said "Benny Klassen." At least he didn't say "Benny Buttfuck" like he has done for over two decades. My, my, Greg and Hunter and Gregory must have been on the floor laughing as Defendant Covington spins his gripping tales of the imaginary goat dancing Creators.
I wonder if they know that the "induhvidual" Defendant Covington characterizes as the leader of the "campaign of defamation" against him since 1987, the one who has allegedly, single-handedly wrecked every pro-White effort since then, including both Pat Buchanan's presidential bid and Ron Paul's, is me. He advanced this hypothesis years ago, you know, in his "satirical (think Bill White)" phony AP article about me as Special Agent Finchley — even mentions himself at the end indirectly. More here on that for Tubbo's fan club: http://members.libreopinion.com/wasp/HAC/WillHAC.html (http://members.libreopinion.com/wasp/HAC/WillHAC.html)
I bet they believe HAC's most uncharacteristic Dr. Pierce "quote" to him, too: "Harold, ol' buddy, we're chasing the same buck." Would they think to ask him for a copy of Dr. Pierce's alleged letter to him?
I've got a five-page hand-written letter to Dr. Pierce from Defendant Covington that arrived at the National Alliance National Office in WV in 1992, a few months after I had been invited to join Dr. Pierce's staff as Membership Coordinator. Covington had sued me and Ben Klassen for libel in 1988 for an article we wrote exposing him as a crass hypocrite and big time liar. Plaintiff had to drop his harassment suit because what Ben and I had written was all true.
So, with that back story, back to this real letter, written in Defendant Covington's unmistakable hand, in black ink on blue stationery, 18 years ago. Five pages of rambling about me, the "viper in the breast of the National Alliance," and wild, per se accusations, like that I had sent package bombs through the mail to Xian evangelists in Eastern NC and VA, injuring one man and killing an innocent lady.
Dr. Pierce had a big laugh as he handed me that letter. He found Covington's escapist fiction funny, to a point. He certainly never believed a word of it. He knew Covington to be the biggest liar to ever claim to be a National Socialist (and be believed). Nobody serious ever took Defendant Covington very seriously (other than April "Come Home to the Northwest Territory" Gaede and Pastor Lindstadt, perhaps) until Greg and Gregory and Hunter took the reins of the "Butler Plan" Leader's Fan Club.
So, now OD links to Northwest Front "crusade," as does TOQ Online. What a movement!
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The retarded low-lifes of the so-called WP "Movement" are but one reason we choose to disassociate ourselves from it. Another major reason is the constant recycling of proven race traitors. No matter what they have done in the past, there are always those who should know better that are ready to give them another chance to destroy yet another group of children will happily skip and dance to their merry end to the tunes played by the Covingtons of this world.
That is why The Alliance has no interest in allying with non-Creator groups or individuals. Leave them to their sordid soap operas and let us pursue Creativity with a determination to save the White Race from not only extermination by the mud races, but also from corruption by the "Movements" of this world.
@Cailen.
I cannot believe that Covington is still waging his vendetta with Beloved Founder 20 years later. Does he have nothing better to do? His one man operation is sad and destitute. His filthy rhetoric against Beloved Founder should not be tolerated, but he does not merit much of our time.
Thank you for that latest from Terrible Tommy. He's been good for Creativity for the most part. He's the one who introduced me to the name Ben Klassen back in 1/88 when I invited him and his son John to Raleigh to speak at a rally I organized. I took him by to meet Covington then, who I had just recently met after he moved to my hometown. John was ordained a COTC Minister in 1985, I believe. Covington gave me my first COTC literature, a copy of Building a Whiter & Brighter World. I was hooked about 1/3 the way through BWB, called Tom, got BK's # and the rest is history...
I just posted that here: http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/03/08/re-covington-an-apology/#comment-43490 (http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/03/08/re-covington-an-apology/#comment-43490) forthose who want a good look at CA's most dangerous, long time enemy. I'd venture he's hurt Creativity more even than Morris Dees, truth be known. Dees couldn't get away with the obsessive smear campaign Covington has driven against Creativity for decades.
These pointy-headed intellectual types just love Defendant Covington's fiction -- they think it's brilliant.
Like Covington used to brag: PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING
Yes, PM Cailen, Creativity Alliance is a monolithic movement apart, and above the "greater WN movement." We do not need them. Most embrace Xianity or tolerate it. Being rational and Nature-based is CA's strength. The Strong Man travels best alone.
If you've forgotten about Weird Harold Covington or think the garbage he made up about PME Klassen all those years ago has been dropped, think again.
http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?4158-A-BRIEF-HISTORY-OF-THE-WHITE-NATIONALIST-MOVEMENT-(Part-Three) (http://www.originaldissent.com/forums/showthread.php?4158-A-BRIEF-HISTORY-OF-THE-WHITE-NATIONALIST-MOVEMENT-(Part-Three))
Read it and remind yourself why we are not so-called
White Nationalists and why we avoid other
patriot groups. All your answers - should you need to ask any questions - are on the one page. Warning: If you are not already aware of Weird Harold's texts, prepare to be offended and sickened.
@Cailen.
I know this f*cker 6Killer. He is a scummy CI c*nt. While he was on VNN I used to have arguments with him over the anti-Creativity garbage he used to post. I was the one that got him banned. But the drivel he would spout really got my Irish up.
Luckily he doesn't post anymore on any pro-White forums.
Chief 6Killer is probably still posting his anti-Creativity nonsense, just under a different username. Such is the Internet.
Regardless, a good "rep" comes your way for having gotten that character banned from VNN. Linder is not all that friendly to Creativity, though he shoud be with his views on Xianity. He's just as likely to ban one of us.
Quote from: White Will on Sat 05 Jun 2010
Chief 6Killer is probably still posting his anti-Creativity nonsense, just under a different username. Such is the Internet.
Regardless, a good "rep" comes your way for having gotten that character banned from VNN. Linder is not all that friendly to Creativity, though he shoud be with his views on Xianity. He's just as likely to ban one of us.
It's funny that you say that about Linder. All his comments are 100% in line with the teachings of Creativity, Nature's Eternal Religion and The White Man's Bible. Many posters have brought that up to him. But he himself does not acknowledge that. See this thread here:
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http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1106296&postcount=47 (http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=1106296&postcount=47)
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Alex, it seems like almost all of your views are perfectly in line with Creativity. Is there a specific reason you don't actively support it? I am just curious if you have any issues with it and/or if you see it as a viable option for racially aware Whites? Thanks in advance and sorry if this has been asked before.
Alex Linder
Administrator
Just not a religious type myself, and as far as I can see, Creativity doesn't really exist. I guess there are a few Creators out there, but I don't really see much from them since Hale was jailed.
Personally I don't think making a religion of race is the right way to go. I think our cause is stronger by our willing its domination as a preference, rather than a Divinely ordained necessity. Arguments from god or nature are inherently ridiculous. I want the kind of world I want because it is better for me and the types of things and creatures I admire, not because it is preferred by nature or some non-existent god. That's just christian stupidity.
One thing I enjoy more than almost anything in life is cleaning, organizing, putting things in order. That's my deepest motive, perhaps. I see our society is disordered, and I can see exactly how to order it properly. Mark, my drive is quite far from and distinct for any "will to power" or desire to crush others to fit my fantasies.
I'm a realitarian. I believe reality exists. I do not believe people should "humble" or "humiliate" themselves before it, I believe it is better than people acknowledge that things exist outside their heads and wills, without elevating that recognition of reality into God.
I approach life from the standpoint of the accountant or the speculator, the calculator of contingencies, and I assert that this is factually and aesthetically the correct way to look at the world. I need no stained glass, nor does my race.
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What needs to be done today is not copy Christian forms, per the Creator symbol and general approach (White Man's Bible), not me-tooism, but come up with something different and better. This would take the form of deciding - since Whites alone possess the ability to choose and the talents to go in a number of directions - which type of person we want to produce. What kind of men should we define as White? What kind of women? We certainly don't want the kind of men and women that Christianity produces. So, rather than compete with or even consider the type of subhumanity that the semites and the christian gerbils strive to produce, we should be thinking about creating a White ideal, and then figuring out the technical problem: how to develop the sort of education and lifescape that this ideal will grow best in. And creating those conditions where we can legally, and destroying our enemies physically so that we can remake the world as befits our kind.
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I dunno, this sounds an awful lot like the white man's bible and creativity, which has gone nowhere in terms of attracting a sizable number of converts. If you think you can create a new and improved creativity, go for it; personally I think it's a futile exercise.
Alex Linder
Administrator
You might be right. Certainly it is not easy to do. But it is my contention that the right person could do it, or the right approach could work. Why not creativity?
1) bad name. Sounds like a combination of Learning Connection or Sylvan center marketing and the sort of silly self-praise you find in singles profiles.
2) "white man's BIBLE" is me-tooism. It was 100% wrong decision to call it "white man's bible" unless you were NOT trying to make a religion out of it, and just make it a handbook.
3) making a RELIGION out of race is just wacky. Does the fact that I belong to a type that requires certain conditions to flourish require a religious skin? No. No more than a python's eggs have to be kept at 78.6 degrees to hatch. The entire PROBLEM with christianity and like insanity is that it invests our lives with things that aint there, and ignores things that are. The chance to live on our own is motive enough and attraction enough without marinating it in rotten lemons.
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Look, you don't need to join a cult to live white.
I agree.
QuoteAll you need to do is pledge to breed with only white people, and instill the importance of maintining your genetic heritage in your kids, so when time comes for them to breed they will also breed white. This is religion enough.
That's what whites are already doing now. The vast majority of white marriages are between whites. The vast majority of whites at the very least wants its race and background to be treated with respect by major institutions. The point is, why should we who created this country and everything good in the world be content with having our free-air normality be reduced, legally and socially, to something akin to nosepicking? Jews didn't build America, jews destroyed it.
He is a funny creature, Alex Linder.
There are two possibilities. Either he takes from our Holy Books what he needs and passes it on as his own arguments without acknowledging Klassen's work, or he is extremely intelligent and came to the same conclusions as Klassen did without even reading the Holy Books of Creativity.
Both possibilities are equally plausible considering that he is an excellent writer and speaker.
I do respect Linder and his talent, however despite this he is pretty hard to work with. He seems like the type who doesn't want to fit in anywhere and wants to do things his way.
"Hard to work with?" You don't know the half of it. His wishy-washy "we've got to come up with an ideal" doesn't offer anything, while at the same time he is very critical of the same anti-Xian ideals that like-minded William Pierce and Ben Klassen formulated and that he agrees with. Linder had been an Alliance member, then corroborated with the sleazeball Bill White for some reason to help destroy the National Alliance.
Linder is fascinated with neologisms. He thinks making up new words like "realitarian" to replace "realist" helps us to come up with those elusive ideals he says the White race so badly needs. A realitarian would more likely bring to mind to the average person a realtor who also an active Rotarian. Why not just say realist? Why be too clever by half?
His criticism of Creativity doesn't stand up to fair debate, but VNN is his baby and he can ban or embrace anyone he wishes. An admitted queer like George Witzgall is a regular VNNer, as are plenty of devout Christlings, while Creators are banned. Go figure?
This CA forum is a nice refuge if only in that we can be reasonably assured that everyone here is pretty much in fundamental agreement on the three big questions: Race, the Jew and Xianity. That, dear WRCs, is the minimum about which EVERYONE in our ranks should be of the same mind. Most of the so-called WN movement are in agreement on the first two, but Creators stand apart by addressing #3, and forthrightly.
BTW, Linder permabanned me from his VNN sandbox a couple of years ago for this farewell post http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=68583&page=2 (http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=68583&page=2)
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March 9th, 2008 Post #33
White Will
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As far as I'm concerned, 'til proven otherwise, Commander ASSWIPE is a Jew AND a Fed.
Originally Posted by Alex Linder [to ck knott]
You call anyone else a jew without proof, and you're banned. This is your one warning.
[WW]
How 'bout if ctknott calls Commander ASSWIPE a "government informant?" Wasn't that the only other express accusation that warrants a VNNF banning?
Your resident obnoxious bully, the so-called Commander ASSWIPE, doesn't like being called an obnoxious bully by the SPLC, but he doesn't mind using the SPLC as a source to smear his detractors, like me, here: http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=738268#post738268 (http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=738268#post738268) Notice how many links in this Jew's "expose" about me carry his readers to the SPLC Web site. My contention is that your obnoxious bully fed the Jew Holland the "neo-Nazi" connections in the first place. Let the lying government informant prove he did not. He announced his intentions to do just that here at VNN, then followed through, using this Jew Adam Holland and his SPLC "intelligence," and you have let it all stand.
By his own exceedingly Jewy behavior the burden is on your Commander ASSWIPE to prove he is not a Jew. I took your word he's a government informant, and still do. Whether you have reconciled with the lying SOB, or not, carries no weight with me. He and his "elite" ASSWIPErs are your problem, not mine. You're the one who enables the lying, obnoxious bully and the one that has foolishly painted himself into the ASSWIPE corner.
He has repeatedly called me a murderer and a child rapist on your forum. I'm not the forgiving type with an obnoxious, lying bully, like you are, Alex. These are specific, actionable libels of your obnoxious lying bully -- serious accusations of capital felonies. I say he is both a Jew and a government informant, which are not actionable libels. I don't need proof of that. I've got enough proof that he is the enemy of truth and of White resistance and renewal, whatever else he might be I'll leave to others to figure out while you give him aid and comfort here on your forum.
Alex, you can ban me for that, or you can let your resident hot shot lying government informant sue me for libel, IN A SEARCH FOR TRUTH. I prefer counter suits in these type matters, given a choice. I can call you as a defense witness on my counter charge that Commander ASSWIPE is a lying government informant. You nailed him good on that charge, the one you seem to want to shield him from today. I'll call folks like Commander Melcur to make the case that Commander ASSWIPE is a Jew. He's good in that area, and thorough.
You've known Commander ASSWIPE to be a bald-faced liar and say so, but truthfulness doesn't seem to carry much weight with you lately, apparently. What does it matter if a well-documented liar and professional disrupter is a Jew or government informant? Isn't it enough to know that he can't ever be relied upon to be truthful? Nobody likes a lying, obnoxious bully, except for you and the ASSWIPErs.
You might want to reconsider protecting the obnoxious, lying bully when he uses your forum to make his Covington-like, per se charges that I'm a murderer and child rapist. He has no witnesses or victims, just like Covington didn't have when he was spreading the same malicious fabrications about me, far and wide, while pretending -- just like your Commander ASSWIPE -- to be the "Leader of all National Socialists worldwide."
I require a full retraction of Commander ASSWIPE's character assassination and false charges that I'm a rapist and murderer, with lots of contrition and begging for my forgiveness, or I hold my post and stay on offense, exposing the lying fraud for what I know him to be. Or you can ban me and give the ASSWIPErs a free pass. Your call; you be d' boss. I make it easy for you by saying Commander ASSWIPE is both a lying Jew AND a government informant, and by refusing to run from those words.
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Linder always hated it when I'd point out on his own forum his hypocrisy or his contradictory positions. He banned me once before because I'm "always right." Not always, Alex, but I was sure right about your Commander ASSWIPE, wasn't I?
We'll leave the door open to Linder for when it's easier to become a Creator, eh?
Quote from: White Will on Mon 07 Jun 2010We'll leave the door open to Linder for when it's easier to become a Creator, eh?
"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Samuel Clements (better known as Mark Twain).
Just thought I'd pile on a bit with the ever-nagging Covington issue. Posted this here: http://01f515f.netsolhost.com/blog1/?p=25&cpage=2#comment-142 (http://01f515f.netsolhost.com/blog1/?p=25&cpage=2#comment-142) after finding an relevant old post by my friend Gordon Ipock (who visited the Otto, NC, COTC facility on my watch there as H.P).
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Will Williams
July 16th, 2010 at 18:31 |
Post #29
Hadding said:
"As for the "Northwest Front" idea, I think you should beware of being overly influenced by a work of fiction...You and anybody that you persuade to go along with you will be getting "atta boy" letters from Harold Covington in the penitentiary for a long time."
[WW:]
You are not the first to suggest Covington is over the top with his provocations.
Five and 1/2 years ago my old friend Gordon Ipock from NC (writing as EdbergEdberg) made similar observations at the VNN forum: : http://www.vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-7495.html (http://www.vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-7495.html)
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February 3rd, 2005, 08:25 PM
I first met Harold Covington back in about 1987, after he had returned to North Carolina from Ireland. His purpose was to pick up the pieces of Glenn Miller's White Patriot Party. He always saw Glenn as an enlisted man and himself as officer material, and he genuinely disliked Glenn because Glenn had succeeded brilliantly in the White Movment where he had failed repeatedly. He was motivated by pure jealousy.
It didn't take me long to see that Harold's attempt at forming a neo-Confederate Nazi group was highly suspect. He had a way of wording his agenda so that followers were admitted enemies of the government... open rebels, much like the original Confederates were. It was bold stuff, but stupid as hell, unless his purpose was to set people up. I pointed this out to the followers he had attracted, and they quickly began to see what Harold was doing. You've got to understand, these guys and myself had just seen the Feds and Jews trash the WPP [White Patriot Party], which was a legal organization. Harold was building something illegal from the get-go.
In the years since I have seen Harold repeatedly attack anyone who was doing good things for our race. He spent several years attacking Ben Klassen when his COTC was white hot in the early 90s. Then during the mid-90s when the National Alliance began to make impressive strides he aimed his venom at Dr. Pierce. And the common element in both these groups was Will Williams. Will played a major role in the growth and success of both the COTC and the NA during the 90s. And for this hard work and success, Will also drew the venom of Harold Covington. *
I've watched Harold at work on internet Usenet groups and stuff since the mid-90s when he first became internet savvy. One thing always struck me: Harold always aimed his criticisms and lies at whomever was doing the most for our movement and race at any particular time. The only conclusion that I could reach was that Harold was working for the other side.
Harold is a very intelligent guy, and a talented writer. Perhaps he started out as a genuine pro-white activist... or perhaps he was working for the enemy from day one. I don't know where the truth is in this. But after watching him closely for several years, I could only conclude that if he wasn't on the payroll of the ADL or SPLC or the FBI, he damned sure should have been. Again, he spent most of the 1990s harshly criticizing Dr. William Pierce and the NA. And at the time, Pierce was like God and the NA was like his saints. I also had the pleasure of meeting Ben Klassen personally and he struck me as a man of high intelligence and good breeding, cultured and courteous, a real gentleman. This was while Covington was calling him "Benny Buttfuck".
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So, really, who cares if Covington is a "talented writer?" So is Charles Krauthammer. So is Frank Rich.
This is a new blog launched by a comrade for the express purpose of refuting the lies of one Harold A. Covington in one specific document. Many of those lies are leveled at Creativity and its Founder, PM Ben Klassen
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http://noncounterproductive.blogspot.com/2010/08/harold-covingtons-defamation-of-ben.html
Setting the Record Straight
Dissecting the so-called "Brief History of the White Nationalist Movement"
Monday, August 9, 2010
Harold Covington's Defamation of Ben Klassen
Let's look at the case of Ben Klassen, a former Florida legislator who founded the Church of the Creator in 1973.
The anonymous author of the "Brief History," lapsing from pretend-scholarly mode, refers to him as "Benny" Klassen, which I remember also seeing in Harold Covington's Resistance newsletter in 1993 (which he authored under the pseudonym Winston Smith). After I initially posted this information on the Radio Free Mississippi forum (along with evidence that other sections of the Brief History had been written by him), Covington stated "that a lot of the Klassen material (although not all of it) is either plagiarized directly from my past writings or re-worked from my stuff."
There is nobody else with a history of attacking Ben Klassen like this, apart from a few that read Covington and repeat what he says. The two smears that I address here certainly originated with Covington circa 1989-1993.
With the increased availability of information through internet in the past 15 years, it has become much easier to investigate an accusation about somebody's past, especially in the case of somebody like Klassen who was a Florida politician before he founded COTC. I went to Google News Archives to see what I could find.
The "Brief History" alleges that Ben Klassen's country of birth is a great mystery, and that he has alleged several different ones at different times. The anonymous author gives no examples to support that claim. I found a newspaper item that somewhat addresses this alleged confusion about Klassen's country of origin.
Klassen, former Republican state representative from Pompano Beach, protested vigorously when the board denied his application to register for sale Palms and Pines Ranchos, a Collier County development.
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"I don't want to appear contentious," said Klassen. "But I have lived in four countries and I am a refugee from communism and the only nation I chose to live in was the United States. Jabbing his finger at his Constitution he continued, "I contend that when I can't sell my land due to some bureaucratic edict, my constitutional rights under the 14th Amendment have been abridge." "Board Eyes All Isolated Land Sales," from the St. Petersburg Times, 2 November 1968.
I looked into Ben Klassen's connection to the 1968 George Wallace presidential campaign in order to determine whether there was any evidence, as the Brief History alleges, that Klassen was involved in a group called "Jews for Wallace." I really had no idea what I would find! Could Covington have been right about something? What I found was this.
NO. 2 man on the Wallace-For-President Committee is former Rep. Ben Klassen, a Palm Beach Republican who lost out in an attempt to move from the House to the Senate. "Wallace Supporters In State Gear For January," St. Petersburg Times, 6 December 1967.
The next article is about a dispute between two factions of Wallace supporters, about who was really in charge of the Florida campaign. On one side, Miami Realtor Thomas H. Hart, on the other side Dr. William Campbell Douglass and Ben Klassen. Douglass and Klassen were both members of the John Birch Society, which Hart apparently regarded as political poison. Since this article discusses the character and connections of the men on both sides of this dispute, you might expect "Jews for Wallace" to be mentioned, but it is not.
Vice-chairman of Dr. Douglass' Wallace organization is Ben Klassen, a Palm Beach Republican, the only member of the Florida Legislature to identify himself as a member of the John Birch Society. "Wallace Men Feud in Florida," by Charles F. Hesser, from The Miami News, 7 December 1967.
There is plenty of mention of Ben Klassen's involvement in the 1968 Wallace for President campaign, but no mention of "Jews for Wallace" anywhere.
The only curve in the state's new election law is that no more than 2458 signatures can come from any one county. And there must be petitions from at least 34 different counties in the state with a minimum of 61 signatures on them. But Broward County's Wallace chairman, Ben Klassen, has said this requirement can be easily met and will actually be an aide to Wallace workers in stimulating voter action. Wallace Builds Election Machine in Kirk County," from the St. Petersburg Times, 18 January 1968.
As far as I can tell, not only is there no mention in the online newspaper archives of any connection between Ben Klassen and Jews for Wallace: the organization may have never existed. It certainly doesn't turn up in a newspaper archive search for the 1960s. In a Google Web search, it only appears in the context of this smear of Ben Klassen. Anybody can prove that to himself by doing a search on this term:
"Jews for Wallace" -Klassen
From all the books, all the newspapers, all the articles online, you will get zero results, which implies that "Jews for Wallace" probably never existed except as a fictional element in this attack on Klassen.
Klassen had a few words to say about Covington too while he was alive, although nothing trashy like what Covington has been promulgating about him. "Anatomy of a Hypocrite" from the March 1989 issue of Racial Loyalty can easily be found online.
Following publication of that criticism, Harold Covington sued for libel and lost. Thereafter he began publishing scurrilous attacks on Ben Klassen and his right-hand man of the time, Will Williams, and subsequently against anybody, like Tom Metzger or Dr. William Pierce, that seemed to be other than hostile toward them.
Material about Klassen from the SPLC
The timeline in the Brief History's section on Ben Klassen is partially plagiarized fr0m an article originally published in the SPLC's Intelligence Report, Summer 1999, titled "A History." Obviously, the author of the anonymous Brief History simply copied the SPLC's article and, maintaining the original format, simply made changes to it.
One of the changes was to alter a paragraph referring to the nature of Ben Klassen's involvement in the 1968 George Wallace campaign. The SPLC's article, published in 1999 says this:
1973 Benhardt "Ben" Klassen, a former Florida state legislator and state chairman of George Wallace's 1968 presidential campaign, announces the formation of the Church of the Creator (COTC) in Lighthouse Point, Fla.
In his COTC chronology published sometime after 2003, Harold Anonymous Covington has changed SPLC's sentence to this:
1973 - Benny Klassen, a former Florida state legislator and state chairman of "Jews for Wallace" during Wallace's 1968 presidential campaign, announces the formation of the Church of the Creator (COTC) in Lighthouse Point, Fla.
Apparently the anonymous historian deemed some of the SPLC's passages sufficiently hostile toward COTC as to require no further alteration, like this tidbit:
1990 - Declaring that church leadership would change "at the top of every decade, on the decade," Klassen announces that Rudy "Butch" STANKO (https://creativityalliance.com/rudy-stanko-conman-fraud/)-then serving a six-year sentence for selling tainted meat-will take over once he is released from prison.
According to Rudy STANKO (https://creativityalliance.com/rudy-stanko-conman-fraud/) the meat was not tainted. STANKO (https://creativityalliance.com/rudy-stanko-conman-fraud/) was the owner of Cattle King Meat Packing , a very large meat-packing business that had been in his family for three generations. Meat-packing is now owned mainly by Jews and STANKO (https://creativityalliance.com/rudy-stanko-conman-fraud/) says that they determined to eliminate him as a non-Jewish competitor. The Score is STANKO (https://creativityalliance.com/rudy-stanko-conman-fraud/)'s book about his ordeal. A real, good-faith history of White nationalism would have given STANKO (https://creativityalliance.com/rudy-stanko-conman-fraud/)'s side of the story instead of just reproducing the SPLC's hostile summation verbatim and without comment.
The reason why the SPLC's entries for 1997, 1998, and 1999 are reproduced in the Brief History without alteration or addition is probably that Ben Klassen by that time had been dead a few years, so that it was not practical to change those entries in a way that would make them defamatory to him.
Some Creators would write Harold Covington off as no more than an entertaining soap opera, but with his decades-long smear campaign against Creativity and its Founder, Harold Covington should be viewed as the enemy.
Hadding has done a yeoman's job of thoroughly taking apart and debunking Covington's phony 75-page "A Brief History of the White Nationalist Movement," here: http://noncounterproductive.blogspot.com (http://noncounterproductive.blogspot.com)
A good chunk of that "brief history" is Covington's gratuitous, malicious smear of Ben Klassen, claiming he was a homosexual Jew, child rapist and murderer and that Creativity is a homosexual cult. Covington has some Xian Identity types on his side because they like to think the worst of Creativity, but some XI types know Covington is poison.
Hadding was approved by this Identity Xian forum to post his "history" debunking blog, here:
http://covenantpeoplesministry.org/forum/showthread.php?1891-Urban-Legends-of-the-White-Nationalist-Movement
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Some, like Martin Lindstedt, prefer to believe that because Ben Klassen was anti-Christian he must have been a Jew. This is obviously not an adequate argument since there are many anti-Christians whom nobody suspects of being a Jew. It is important not to be self-pleasingly reckless, but to consider whether the argument that Covington offers even deserves to be taken seriously before accepting such a conclusion.
Harold Covington Calls Ben Klassen a Jew
Ben Klassen was a former Florida legislator who founded the Church of the Creator in 1973 and is the author of The White Man's Bible, Nature's Eternal Religion, and other books.
The section about Klassen in A Brief History of the White Nationalist Movement is called "The Strange Case of Benny Klassen." It is essentially a very heavily re-worked version of an article from the SPLC's Intelligence Report, Summer 1999, titled "A History." "The Strange Case of Benny Klassen" retains that article's format and much of its text but incorporates smears that had been published in Harold Covington's Resistance newsletter in the early1990s.
While the SPLC's "A History" concerns itself little with Klassen's life before the COTC, Covington's Brief History contains material, all of it defamatory, for the years 1948, 1966, and 1968. This material from the prehistory of the COTC was added to portray Klassen as a man with hidden Jewish origins. (This seems to be an adaptation of the true story of Harold Covington's own former associate, Frank Collin.)
The most noteworthy fact about Klassen prior to founding the Church of the Creator, that in 1955 he had invented an improved form of electric can-opener, marketed as Canolectric, is not even mentioned in this so-called history. It is not an obscure fact! There are several references to Klassen's can opener in online news archives. The Hartford Courant of 8 December 1957 mentions that Canolectric was developed by Klassen Enterprises, Inc. The Miami News of 28 July 1958 contains the following note about the product:
A new entry in the field of electric can openers is the Canolectric, made by Robbins & Myers, Inc., Memphis, Tenn., which claims that it is the only fully automatic can opener. It requires no manual piercing of the can lid or manual release of the cutting blade. You just push the button, says the firm, and that's all.
Instead of presenting verifiable information like this about Klassen's life before the COTC, the author of the Brief History confines himself to innuendos that Klassen was a Jew and had been prosecuted for fraud, none of which is documentable. The five claims and their refutations are as follows:
1. that Ben Klassen's origins are a great mystery, and that he has stated different dates and locations of his own birth on different occasions. Furthermore it is suggested that he may have used some other, distinctly Jewish name earlier in life, which could only be in question if his date and place of birth are unknown. No citations are given to support any of this. I found a newspaper item that somewhat addresses this alleged confusion about Klassen's origin:
Klassen, former Republican state representative from Pompano Beach, protested vigorously when the board denied his application to register for sale Palms and Pines Ranchos, a Collier County development.
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"I don't want to appear contentious," said Klassen. "But I have lived in four countries and I am a refugee from communism and the only nation I chose to live in was the United States. Jabbing his finger at his Constitution he continued, "I contend that when I can't sell my land due to some bureaucratic edict, my constitutional rights under the 14th Amendment have been abridge." "Board Eyes All Isolated Land Sales," from the St. Petersburg Times, 2 November 1968.
This is consistent with what Klassen later wrote in his autobiography, Against the Evil Tide, as is evident even from the table of contents. A reporter for the Los Angeles Times had no difficulty putting the pieces together:
Ben Klassen was born in Ukraine to German-speaking Mennonite parents. His family, described in his books as "early victims of Jewish Communism," lived briefly in Mexico and then moved to Canada, where he earned a degree in electrical engineering and a bachelor of arts. In 1945, Klassen settled in the United States and became a citizen three years later. (Sarah Henry, "Marketing Hate", Los Angeles Times, 12 December 1993.)
2. that Klassen was indicted in 1948 along with several others (with Jewish names) for "mail fraud, bankruptcy fraud, and theft from interstate commerce by a Federal grand jury in New Orleans." The author admits however that he really knows of no such indictment when he says, "Details are sketchy." Grand jury indictments are a matter of public record, and it would have been reported in newspapers. A news archive search for 1947-1949 turns up nothing relevant.
3. that there was a "bankruptcy fraud probe" circa 1966 involving Klassen and two partners with Jewish names in an alleged Palm Beach real estate firm. If you do a Google News Archive search on the terms Klassen and Shapiro and Weinleben you will find absolutely nothing. Likewise for "SKW Realty" in the 1950s and 60s.
4. that Klassen's "religious affiliation is listed in the 1968 Florida State Government Who's Who as Jewish." There is no book called the Florida State Government Who's Who. There is Who's Who in Government, and there is Florida Lives: The Sunshine State Who's Who. The title that Covington gives is one that nobody will be able to find on the reference shelf of any library.
5. that in 1968 Klassen was a member of "Jews for Wallace."
Here is an article about a dispute between two factions of Wallace supporters, about who was really in charge of the Florida campaign. On one side, Miami realtor Thomas H. Hart, on the other side Dr. William Campbell Douglass and Ben Klassen. Douglass and Klassen were both members of the John Birch Society, which Hart apparently regarded as political poison. Since this article discusses the character and connections of the men on both sides of this dispute, you might expect "Jews for Wallace" to be mentioned, but it is not.
Vice-chairman of Dr. Douglass' Wallace organization is Ben Klassen, a Palm Beach Republican, the only member of the Florida Legislature to identify himself as a member of the John Birch Society. ("Wallace Men Feud in Florida," by Charles F. Hesser, from The Miami News, 7 December 1967.)
There is plenty of mention in old newspapers of Ben Klassen's involvement in the 1968 Wallace for President campaign, but no mention of "Jews for Wallace" anywhere.
The only curve in the state's new election law is that no more than 2458 signatures can come from any one county. And there must be petitions from at least 34 different counties in the state with a minimum of 61 signatures on them. But Broward County's Wallace chairman, Ben Klassen, has said this requirement can be easily met and will actually be an aide to Wallace workers in stimulating voter action. ( Wallace Builds Election Machine in Kirk County," from the St. Petersburg Times, 18 January 1968.)
NO. 2 man on the Wallace-For-President Committee is former Rep. Ben Klassen, a Palm Beach Republican who lost out in an attempt to move from the House to the Senate. ("Wallace Supporters In State Gear For January," St. Petersburg Times, 6 December 1967.)
So far as I can tell, not only is there no mention in the online newspaper archives of any connection between Ben Klassen and Jews for Wallace: the organization may have never existed. It certainly doesn't turn up in a newspaper archive search for the 1960s. In a Google Web search, it only appears in the context of this smear of Ben Klassen. Anybody can prove that to himself by doing a search on this term:
"Jews for Wallace" -Klassen
From all the books, all the newspapers, all the articles online, you will get zero results, which implies that "Jews for Wallace" probably never existed except as a fictional element in this attack on Ben Klassen.
Strong evidence that Covington himself invented "Jews for Wallace" can be derived through examination of how the Brief History differs from the SPLC's article. The first entry in the SPLC's chronology of the Church of the Creator, from which "The Strange Case of Benny Klassen" was rewritten, is dated 1973 and reads as follows:
1973 Be[r]nhardt "Ben" Klassen, a former Florida state legislator and state chairman of George Wallace's 1968 presidential campaign, announces the formation of the Church of the Creator (COTC) in Lighthouse Point, Fla.
(That happens to be slightly incorrect; Klassen was the vice-chairman for Florida and the chairman for Broward County.) In his COTC chronology, Harold Anonymous Covington has changed SPLC's sentence to this:
1973 - Benny Klassen, a former Florida state legislator and state chairman of "Jews for Wallace" during Wallace's 1968 presidential campaign, announces the formation of the Church of the Creator (COTC) in Lighthouse Point, Fla.
Covington, rewriting the SPLC's article, simply replaced "George" with "Jews for Wallace during" and replaced the respectful form of Klassen's name with the insulting diminutive, "Benny."* Since "Jews for Wallace" was not in Covington's source material, it is obvious that he invented it.
Origin of the Conflict
Klassen had a few words to say about Covington too while he was alive, although nothing so bizarre as what Covington has been promulgating about him. "The Anatomy of a Hypocrite" from the March 1989 issue of Racial Loyalty can easily be found online.
From that essay one gets a hint of the basis of this conflict: Covington had tried to discourage Klassen from relocating to North Carolina because that was his own home state and he didn't want competition. This interpretation is confirmed in a letter written by Covington on 5 November 1992 wherein he complained that Will Williams was "trying to deliver the entire racialist movement in North Carolina to Old Benny Buttf-ck on a silver platter."
Klassen, and Hasta Primus Will Williams, also accused Covington of tailoring his propaganda to attract Christians while being a nonbeliever and private ridiculer of Christianity himself. **
Following publication of "The Anatomy of a Hypocrite," Covington retaliated by publishing highly imaginative libels against Ben Klassen and his right-hand man of the time, and subsequently against anybody (e.g., William Pierce, Tom Metzger) that seemed to be other than hostile toward them.
Calling somebody that stands up for the White race a Jew is a traditional method of trying to undermine that person's support. They did it to Adolf Hitler. It wasn't true in Hitler's case (as DNA testing now confirms) and Harold Covington pretty clearly didn't have any evidence that it was true in Klassen's. It was just an unscrupulous way of attacking him, while diverting attention from criticisms of himself.
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*Covington also does this to his younger brother Benjamin Covington for whom he seems to have considerable disdain, referring to him as Benjie.
** Covington's hidden contempt for Christians occasionally becomes manifest, for example in one of his novels, Hill of the Ravens, about which Martin Lindstedt complained on 22 December 2003 as follows: "I ended up asking about Covington back in 1998, when I was suspicious about being 'used' by appearing on Covington's 'Whitespeak' jewhoogruppen. Katya Lane ended up predicting, "Sooner or later you will grow tired of his lies." Well, I must have been stupid because I didn't figure out until reading Covington's latest self-published novel, "Swill of the Jayhawks" that Covington regarded Christian Identity soldiers as nothing but cannonfodder to be given third-rate sh-tizenship, if that, in Covington's 'NorthWest Republic' of covingtonistas."
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Record of Facebook chat on Sun, Jan 16, 2011:
Harold Covington The White internet needs to start de-legitimizing and lowering the value and credibility level of ANONYMITY. We all need to adopt a personal policy of taking anything posted under a pseudonym, or where the poster is unwilling to provide any independently verifiable information about himself or his track record, with a grain of salt.
There are too many people swaggering across the internet claiming to be big authorities on White Nationalism and Movement events, bad-ass theoreticians, deep thinkers and intellectuals, mighty Skinhead Aryan warriors and God know what-all, who are in reality some weird, geeky little guy with spectacles or somebody like the Comic Book Guy in the The Simpsons
Or else they're Cognitive Dissonance operatives hired by Cass Sunstein or the ADL deliberately top spread confusion, dissension, and madness in White groups like this one. Trolls of all kinds thrive on anonymity, and we have to bring this to a halt if there is to be any hope of progress.
Wayne Pyrzewski Certainly, I think we all know it is good to use real names obviously, such as what I do. But I can understand at times people using aliases because there are groups of antis that search for the person's name and then report their account, thus getting them deleted.
Harold Covington By way of practicing what I preach, I am now looking for a picture of myself which is small enough to load for this site and also not from the "old days," which since I no longer advocate orthodox National Socialism would be misleading.
Mike Jahn Sounds to me like a fed trying to get names. Anonymity is an American right that our forefathers handed down to us. Nobody should be able to take it away.
Johann Georg Heidler Ben Franklin posted his Patriot Writings under the pseudo-name, "Poor Richard" and I believe Thomas Paine used the Names "The Patriot" and "The Farmer". Many Christian Identity Pastors also use pseudo-names to protect themselves from unwarranted attacks and harassment.
Tom Connington Every revolution is anonymous. People who want our names = feds.
Hadding Scott Harold, what does swearing off anonymity mean when nobody can find your physical location? For over a decade Will Williams has been trying to find you to serve some papers. (Which is why I maintain that your stories about receiving significant numbers of visitors are BS.) Get real. You have been in hiding for ten years so that nobody can find you, and you are going to preach to others about anonymity?
Hadding Scott By the way, there is a cash reward for anybody that gives Will Williams a tip that leads to Covington's being served. If you can't find out how to get in touch with WW let me know and I will put you in touch.
Mike Jahn What's the story behind this Hadding?
Hadding ScottCovington had been smearing Will Williams exactly the same way he smears Ben Klassen and Matt Koehl, but Will Williams sued him for libel and won. Instead of paying up or even shutting up, however, Covington kept at it, with the result that... he was found in contempt of court. Covington had to leave North Carolina to escape prosecution. (By the way, it was only after this that Covington embraced the "Northwest Imperative." Before that NC was the location of Covington's fantasy republic.) Covington was ordered to Will Williams over $100k, which with interest is over $200k. Williams wants to serve Covington some papers relating to that.
Mike Jahn And Convington has gone into hiding since?
Hadding Scott Yes.
Mike Jahn lol Ironic for a person like that to be talking about anonymity.
Hadding Scott Absolutely. A lot of Covington's preaching would be more properly directed at himself.
Mike Jahn What does the Blue - white and green flag stand for?
Hadding Scott That's Covington's make-believe Northwest Republic flag.
Mike Jahn Convington should have looked at a color wheel, blue and green don't compliment well.
Hadding Scott Yeah he probably wears stripes and plaid together too.
Hadding Scott Lesotho (one of South Africa's bantustans) also has a blue, white, and green flag.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1355354/Lesotho-flag-of (http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1355354/Lesotho-flag-of)
Mike Jahn LOL Lesotho flag is pretty similar, same order of colors too
Mike Jahn So what is this Republic? I believe Mr.Roberts told me about this, something to do with vikings?
Hadding Scott Well, Covington has two basic routines these days: 1, preaching about "character," and 2, complaining that nobody has a "plan" and claiming that relocating to the Northwest constitutes a plan. The idea is to secede someday.
Mike Jahn Personally my plan at jettandjahn.com is to reach out to the white youth and radicalize them through entertainment. What do you think?
Hadding Scott I think that engaging with other White people and helping them to get their minds straight makes more sense than moving to another part of the country, yes.
Mike Jahn If you keep running they'll keep following imo.
Hadding Scott Well, the premise for any successful war of secession from the United States is that the USA is basically already defunct anyway. I think this Northwest Republic fantasy is largely a way for Covington to sell novels.
Mike Jahn I spoke to someone about any potential war and we came to the conclusion that any sort of civil war would require a lot of outside support as well as public support. A small "republic" somewhere out in the woods would be a 1 day war for the US army.
Hadding Scott Jahn, yes. The American War for Independence would not have succeeded without French help. The Confederacy hoped for that kind of help and didn't get it.
LATER THE SAME DAY ON ANOTHER THREAD:
Harold Covington Can you say Cognitive Dissonance operatives? Sure you can!
Harold Covington The White internet needs to start de-legitimizing and lowering the value and credibility level of ANONYMITY. We all need to adopt a personal policy of taking anything posted under a pseudonym, or where the poster is unwilling to provide any... independently verifiable information about himself or his track record, with a grain of salt.
There are too many people swaggering across the internet claiming to be big authorities on White Nationalism and Movement events, bad-ass theoreticians, deep thinkers and intellectuals, mighty Skinhead Aryan warriors and God know what-all, who are in reality some weird, geeky little guy with spectacles or somebody like the Comic Book Guy in the The Simpsons
Or else they're Cognitive Dissonance operatives hired by Cass Sunstein or the ADL deliberately top spread confusion, dissension, and madness in White groups like this one. Trolls of all kinds thrive on anonymity, and we have to bring this to a halt if there is to be any hope of progress.
Hadding Scott Your anti-anonymity rhetoric would seem a little more convincing if you weren't in hiding for the past decade, Harold. [Wayne Pyrzewski likes this.]
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Facebook chat continued today:
Robert Layne HAC the Cass Sunstein stuff is nonsense. Anyone who knows who he is would laugh at the idea Hadding was working for him.While I do enjoy some of your writing HAC you do often descend into LaRouchey style silliness.
Robert Layne BTW Hadding I don't care for people who run to the enemy court system because someone said something that hurt their feelings.
Robert Layne In a way I can understand the anonymity (which in reality doesn't exist,you'd be shocked at what computer forensics can recover - a word to the wise) ; The Iron Heel doesn't play nicely, does it ?
Hadding Scott Rob, we are back to the point that you don't care if somebody lies all the time. Will Williams' libel suit wasn't about hurt feelings. You can hurt somebody's feelings with a truthful criticism, but that is not what Covington was doing. It ...was about gigantic lies that Covington had been telling for years, sowing dissension in organizations whose purpose I assume you approve. The issue was really much bigger than Williams vs. Covington. There were at least half a dozen other people that were pleased that somebody finally took Covington to task, including Tom Metzger, of whom, if I recall correctly, you are a fan. Metzger has challenged Covington to a duel over the continuing libel that he has had to endure, just last year. I think a libel suit is preferable to a duel as a method of settling such matters, if you can manage it. Covington's ostensible disdain for the legal system only extends to applications of it that work against him: if this government that Covington calls illegitimate weren't maintaining law and order and protecting Covington's fat arse, he would have been killed by one of his victims decades ago.
Victoria Collins I support the US constitution fully, I am not publicly joining anything that advocates the overthrow of anything, unless someone would like to explain that to me further, I am open to learn more about it. Other than that I agree with 80% of what they say on NF.
Hadding Scott Victoria you might find this relevant, from EdbergEdberg, a poster on VNN Forum who knew Covington in the 1980s: "It didn't take me long to see that Harold's attempt at forming a neo-Confederate Nazi group was highly suspect. He had a way of wording his agenda so that followers were admitted enemies of the government... open rebels, much like the original Confederates were. It was bold stuff, but stupid as hell, unless his purpose was to set people up. I pointed this out to the followers he had attracted, and they quickly began to see what Harold was doing. You've got to understand, these guys and myself had just seen the Feds and Jews trash the WPP, which was a legal organization. Harold was building something illegal from the get-go." http://www.vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-7495.html (http://www.vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-7495.html) [Wayne Pyrzewski and Victoria Collins like this]
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EdbergEdberg was the pseudonym of my old friend Gordon Ipock, who met Ben Klassen when he visited me at the COTC headquarters back in 1988. I was Best Man in Gordon's wedding, and he was the man who took me to WV to meet Dr. William Pierce in 1991. That's quite a revealing thread from VNN from more than 6 years ago. I liked this part by EdbergEdberg because he was looking through the same historical lens that I view things:
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"In the years since I have seen Harold repeatedly attack anyone who was doing good things for our race. He spent several years attacking Ben Klassen when his COTC was white hot in the early 90s. Then during the mid-90s when the National Alliance began to make impressive strides he aimed his venom at Dr. Pierce. And the common element in both these groups was Will Williams. Will played a major role in the growth and success of both the COTC and the NA during the 90s. And for this hard work and success, Will also drew the venom of Harold Covington."
Quote from: Hadding on Fri 11 Feb 2011I wonder if anybody reading this has any knowledge of voice-altering technology or audio forensics. Some of the audio files that Covington plays, allegedly sent in by listeners, sound very strange to me. I accept that some of them are authentic (for example I think Gretchen the librarian is real, and there was one sent in by a guy who used to call Jim Giles), but others sound as if they were written by Covington, and the tonal inflection also sounds like his. In other words it sounds like Covington talking through something that produces an altered voice. Listen to the audio file that Covington played about four-fifths of the way through his podcast of 3 February and see if it doesn't sound a little strange to you. Why would Covington have faked this? Well, just recently I've been pointing out that he's unlikely to have many visitors because he is in hiding from being served papers by Will Williams. So immediately Covington comes up with what purports to be a recording of somebody who visited him.
No matter the oddball or how Weird Harold gets, he can gain an audience. Any freak can gain an audience if he or she just has something to put out there that the punters are looking for. Be it books or anything marketable.
@Cailen.
Quote from: Hadding on Fri 11 Feb 2011
Addendum
Within 12 hours after I posted my review of his podcast of 10 February 2011 Covington posted an erratum basically summarizing what I wrote above. This could be the first step on the road to sanity!
Let's hope that Covington will also admit now that there really were no Barry Edwards or Dennis Witherspoon murders with which he has been accusing Ben Klassen since the 1990s...
Let us Creators never forget who our enemies are. Harold Covington has done more to destroy Creativity over the past 22 years than any other man, including "hate group" watchdog Morris Seligman Dees and his Southern Poverty Law Center who obtained the one mllion-dollar default judgment against the COTC. Covington is on no road to sanity. He'll never admit that anything he has fabricated and repeated thousands of time about Founder Klassen, or Creativity, or all the other legitimate WN leaders he has smeared over the years, have been calculated, mendacious libels. He can't. Did he tip his hat to you in his corrected version of Hjalmar Schact's history, Hadding? Of course not, even though many people know that it was you who cried foul at his so-called history lesson. Instead, he simply tells his suckers this on his Facebook profile:
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Harold Covington:
For years I have been followed around the internet by three or four
Covington-obsessed trolls, trying to spread confusion, discord, and
disinformation about myself and the Northwest Imperative.
The latest Facebook incidents involving the Induhvidual using the name
"Hadding Scott" prompted me to re-assess, and pull some stuff out of
my files for comparison and re-assessment, going as far back as 1999.
I now am of the opinion that it is ALL ONE GUY, using different
pseudonyms, the latest sock puppet being "Hadding Scott."
I even have an idea who it may be. It's not Willard; "Hadding's"
posts, though bird-brained, are at least coherently organized and free
of Willard's interminable rambling on the one subject that obsesses
him to the point of insanity. He's made a slip or two that have been
suggestive, although not conclusive. One day he'll inadvertently make
some definitive slip, and I will know for sure who he is and what his
sad, pathetic beef with me is.
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'Williams v. Covington' libel lawsuit detailed the "beef" just fine. That's why defendant Covington, this arch enemy of Creativity, owes Rev. Williams $200,000+ and is in hiding, avoiding execution of the court judgment.
Who's going to believe his nonsense about Hadding and "Willard?" The 'punters?'
Rev. Cambeul, in America a punter is a football (not soccer) kicker who kicks (aka "punts") the ball to the opposing team on 3rd down and long yardage. What is a punter in Australia? Is that someone who believes unquestioningly Covington's claims for decades that Founder Klassen murdered his fictional characters, Witherspoon and Edwards -- not only murdered them, but anally raped them first, and that, after a Satanic goat dance ritual around a bonfire in back of the COTC headquarters?
Quote from: Rev.WhiteWill on Sat 12 Feb 2011Rev. Cambeul, in America a punter is a football (not soccer) kicker who kicks (aka "punts") the ball to the opposing team on 3rd down and long yardage. What is a punter in Australia?
A punter in the sense I used it is a gambler. It's British English. People who sit on the sidelines watching and waiting and hoping to win.
The scum-bag Harold Covington was a guest on the scumbag TCM (https://creativitymovement.org/)'s White Voice radio show.
This is what Matt Hale had to say about that. His letter posted a couple of days ago on the TCM (https://creativitymovement.org/) forum:
Quote from: Member ofurl=https://creativitymovement.org/]TCM[/url] Forum](Hale on Creators associating with Harold Covington)
"I was horrified to learn that Harold Covington was on the White Voice because no, there is no forgiving that scum for the horrible lies that he told about our great founder. No Creator under any circumstances, should have anything to do with that man, to do otherwise is an insult to Ben Klassen's, memory. I am, frankly stunned that Covington is still considered part of the Racial Loyalist Movement at all. He should be exposed all over the internet by now. I know that Tom Metzger did his part but mabye has ceased by now?"
"Not only did "weird Harold" or "the Rabbi of the Nazi Party"(Covington himself 1/4 jew), as Covington has been nicknamed, tell a lie that Ben Klassen was a jew but his lies about Ben Klassen where even more grotesque then that: he also claimed our founder homosexually raped men and boys! He used to call him "Benny bugger boy" and the like. Furthermore, Covington is a long time FBI informant. All of this information should be common knowlege but apparently it isnt, at least anymore! There is a book called CODEBOOK GREENKILL which reports how Covington informed on the five White men who defended themselves in the Greensboro shootout in 1979."
"Please spread the word on this : We cannot have Creators of all people rubbing elbows with such an individual for obvious reasons. I remember when I was 18 getting his lies in the mail. It is because of his lies that Ben Klassen wrote his autobiography providing his family tree, thats how bad it got at the time. Covington is an excellent, persuasive writer but he is on the wrong side."
Rev Matt Hale Nov 2011
I am shocked beyond belief how low they have gone. Harold fucking Covington !!! :o .
We have all the information on Weird Harold that anyone should ever need.
https://creativityalliance.com/links.htm (https://creativityalliance.com/links.htm)
MiscellaneousHarold A Covington http://noncounterproductive.blogspot.com (http://noncounterproductive.blogspot.com)
https://creativityalliance.com/articles.htm (https://creativityalliance.com/articles.htm)
Harold Covington The Anatomy of a Hypocrite (P.M.E. Klassen re Harold Covington)
L.A. Times Refutes Covington's Lies on P.M.E. Klassen (Newspaper Article)
I'm not surprised. I was told back in 30/31 AC that I was a jew fighting against White Racial Unity in my refusal to have anything to do with Weird Harold Covington. As far as TCM (https://creativitymovement.org/) were concerned, it was a personal issue with Hale and they didn't give a damn about his petty hatreds.
Otherwise, very interesting. Keep up the information gathering, you might obtain an address for that low life yet - which you can pass onto Will Williams and hopefully receive a nice cheque for the Alliance.
@Cailen.
Rev. Hale is finally shocked at TCM (https://creativitymovement.org/) behavior! That is the most surprising part about this post.
Covington and logsdon are like dirty dogs and dirty birds flocking together. Two informants rubbing elbows. I wonder if they have the same handlers? Perhaps this was a playdate?
In all seriousness, we should keep an eye on this. Please read up on Covington via the links provided if this name is new to you. His strange obsession with Beloved Founder endures nearly 20 years after Beloved Founder has gone. That should tell you something about this character. Covington's own family has spoken out on his strange stories and behavior in the past. He claims to have served as a mercenary in Rhodesia among other wild statements. He's the perfect type for an informant - alone, misfit, zero self worth, eager to please, proud to be a part of the government, happy to be used by his handlers... just like Evola.
https://creativityalliance.com/articles.htm (https://creativityalliance.com/articles.htm)
Harold Covington
The Anatomy of a Hypocrite (https://creativityalliance.com/articles_covington-hypocrite.htm) (P.M.E. Klassen re Harold Covington)
L.A. Times Refutes Covington's Lies on P.M.E. Klassen (https://creativityalliance.com/articles_covington.htm) (Newspaper Article)
If anyone has the complete typed text of any other articles on Weird Harold, send them to Webmaster@creativityalliance.com
Some good news on this topic via the grapevine of my many Nationalist contacts is that Covington is generally ignored and discredited now globally whilst Ben Klassen's status and regard has never been higher as a philosphical founder of the only genuine, modern, fully effective, battle tested White Racial Religion.
From Justin D. Hugely (http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005781273209) Things to come, rahowa.
(http://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/14951_119116011597563_954503584_n.jpg)
Andreas Donner (http://www.facebook.com/andreas.donner.75) I'm sure Justin knows this, but for everyone else, there's actually a solution.
http://www.northwestfront.org (http://www.northwestfront.org)
Cailen Cambeul (http://www.facebook.com/Rev.Cambeul) The Northwest Front: White Flight on a grand scale ... Where you can live the life of the fantasy novels of Weird Harold Covington ... Where you can stick your head in the sand and pretend the world is Whiter and Brighter than it actually is ... Northwest Front, where you - the last White man and woman, can suffer the slow death of torture by the dark tormentors you chose to pretend were no longer there.
Andreas Donner (http://www.facebook.com/andreas.donner.75) Call it White Flight if you like, but remember, you're where you are today because your White ancestors saw what was happening around them (all the way back to India, no less) and got out. Further, please suggest a method by which a redoubt in the Northwest isn't required. Like Harold or not, firstly, I know him and his detractors (with two exceptions) don't and secondly, he's not central to what we're trying to do.
Cailen Cambeul (http://www.facebook.com/Rev.Cambeul) Good, I see that you are able to separate Harold from your actual racial stance and beliefs. That means we can have a logical and rational discussion. --- We Creators, as opposed to those who follow the ideals of the Northwest Front redoubt, know that if the White Race is unable to take/retake all the good lands of the Earth for itself, then the White Race will go the way of Rhodesia in recent history, or the Byzantine Empire as the Classical example of complete and total genocide. A White redoubt of any kind will only bring about the same kind of temporary situation as South African Whites currently face ... which will lead to extermination of our race. --- Now, the use that we Creators have for a scheme like the Northwest Frontier is to make it a regional HQ only - sort of like the forts of Roman Europe and the old American West. And on a continent size land-mass, that means a series of forts, with the goal of taking that land for the White Race - not to live in an eternal siege like mentality while we wait for the end. --- And BTW the analogy of White flight being good for the White Race because our ancestors ran from the dark hordes of yesteryear, banded together and were able to fight and win fortress Europe for themselves before making use of technology to conquer the entire world ... does not work today. We are now talking billions of technologically adept muds vs millions of Whites and the choice is whether to fight and win or to meekly accept extermination. We Creators understand that. So do the Cosmotheists, as do some of the Odinists and even fewer of the Christians. And any who believe that we can partner up with Muslims against Jews or Jews against Muslims, or National Socialist Mongolians or Japs as Uncle Adolf once did, is living a lie; a National Socialist China would be just as much a threat to the White Race as Red China is today. There is no win-win, live and let live, this is my land and that is your land offer on the table. Redoubts be buggered, it's either fight or die.
If you have a Facebook account, feel free to take part in the conversation. Even a "Like" is useful these days.
http://www.facebook.com/Rev.Cambeul (http://www.facebook.com/Rev.Cambeul)
Pontifex Cambeul.
Let's face it though. Nobody wants to live in a turbulent environment. Nobody can be stuffed trying to fight non whites in large groups because it only ends in tears either physically or legally.
People just want a peaceful life where they can prosper, be happy and raise a family.If they can meet those objectives without fighting others then they'll take those options first.
If you had the choice of constant waring with the non white hordes in towns like Detroit or South central Los Angeles or.. having the opportunity to go live in Iceland where there is peace and a whole lot of smart , beautiful white people to co-exist with along with beautiful scenery, what would you do?
http://creativityresourcearea2.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/the-north-west-fallacy/ (http://creativityresourcearea2.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/the-north-west-fallacy/)
The fallacy, suicide and error of the North West option. (1st draft NB incomplete)
I have only just decided to consider this topic because it has come up recently and is being considered by some white nationalists.
A friend of mine recently made preparations to move to the North West territories in the presumed hope and dream of a White homeland.
Whilst I could not make him see the error of his ways and since his preparations were well advanced I could not deter him. But it is, I think, a grievous error.
Whose idea is this North West homeland anyway? None other than the blasphemer Harold Covington. J**. P******e, s****e false leader, m******* and race traitor. Even his pathetic flag smacks of cowardice.....blue, green and white..the colours of an African flag and banana republic. Not the red, black and white of the White Races banner.
This idea of the North West as some kind of escape has to be quashed. There is nowhere to run to White Man. The White Man stands his ground and fights for his territory. To flee is the mark of the coward.
Whilst the North West may indeed be a place of work, opportunity and labour and a better place to raise children than other mud infested areas of the USA, running away and planning terrorism and a civil war is not only foolish it is illegal, technically treason against the powers that be and doomed to failure. It will fail worse than the Southern Confederate secession and last about as long as the much touted and soon compromised homeland of "Deseret"
I want to go through the North West options and reasons one by one and demolish them. Then follow up with other points against the North West option.
1. The North West is defendable.
What nonsense is this? Do these White separatists really want to live like Afghans? They are not Afghans or Chechens. The North West is not Afghanistan. They are not suicidal illiterates fired with an aggressive religious ideology. Even if they were White Muslims or Creators, they have no sympathetic neighbouring state to infiltrate weapons like Pakistan. They have no technological/industrial base even remotely like Germany had in WW2 and make no mistake they would be treated in exactly the same way.....bombed into rubble and strafed and hunted down by drones by the central United States authorities if they saw fit to do so..
To gain liberty and defend yourself from the Jewish Global power you need hundreds of millions of united White people, united with a single will and heartbeat.. (the third Reich had 90 million and failed). The North West has no great agricultural resources to support the hundreds of millions of Whites that would be needed to make a defendable state.....quite unlike the Midwest even. Unlike even Russia or Australia. At most the North West has the agricultural capacity to support maybe 20-30 million- less than even Scandinavia.
These White separatists don't even have a coherent ideology. Not even of the basic "lots of guns and lots of sons" of the Pashtun tribes of Afghanistan and Pakistan. If they did they could perhaps take casualties at minimum in an Afghan type resistance war ....but they don't.
Creativity is the only White racial credo that has fertility at its core "Be fruitful and multiply. Do your part in expanding the White Race. It is our avowed and sacred duty to populate this earth with White people exclusively."
But all those White separatists moving to Idaho/ Washington are not Creators. Left alone in isolation they would disappear in 40 years of loneliness and trying to copulate with trees whilst the rest of America continues to be inundated by none whites. Living in the wilderness guarantees solitude and isolation and does not supply the necessary pool of mates to perpetuate tribal continuation. Finding a mate in a densely populated area is hard enough.
An emphatic No! When the Confederate states had lost their war (remember they had a bigger population than the North West, better fighters and racial stock and a semblance of an agricultural /industrial base) they had a 50:50 mix of whites and negroes. They did not run away or flee back to Europe . A century later the Whites in Georgia and Alabama and Mississippi had multiplied their numbers between 4 and eight times the number of the blacks. Why? Because at the end of the day Whites have better hygiene, morals and standards than the negro. The negroes then were wracked with syphilis necessitating segregation. Now they are wracked with HIV and herpes ( 50% of African-american females have herpes.)
Whites in contrast are better at raising healthy families, or they were, compared to the diseased and promiscuous negro.
White people in the USA need to stay put where they are. Just as the Boers are doing so in South Africa. That land is theirs and their birthright and unified they are ten times as powerful as all the blacks put together.. They need to marry young and raise large healthy families. This can be done successfully even just in rural areas 20 miles from big none white cities. (In the former Yugoslavia the White Serbs stayed in the countryside for centuries while the admittedly white Bosnian muslims dominated the towns and cities like Sarajevo.
The White Race needs to stay put. They own the USA. It is their country. Not to be butchered and cut up. Not to be sold off and abandoned. The White Race, as in accordance with the Creativity Religion, must breed and expand. It must proselytise, preach and educate and awaken the White race. Just as the Nazi party once woke up the slumbering Germans. This is more easily done in populated areas than in a wilderness were not even a female can be found.
The White race must wake up, get busy, leaflet, go door to door, meet people and speak and organise its people to take control of the whole of the USA and then export its Revolution of values globally
So long as the White Race is the majority of the USA it must not abandon anywhere. This is not to say a slow migration may not take place say from south to North in order to raise kids safely but it is wrong to break up the nation and fall into the trap. The trap of another civil war or a situation where Whites can be used to kill other Whites. This is what would happen if there was a separate North West territory or the kind of Balkanisation advocated by the American Renaissance Party..
If however, perchance, the US Whites were driven out of the southern usa into the north usa by discomfort from being outnumbered by say Mexicans along the Southern border......that is a different matter allowing the possibility of a future reconquest. The important thing to remember is that ultimately you need an economic base. The minerals of the northwest, the agricultural base of the mid west and the strategic great lakes basin are vital white areas along with eastern and western routes to the sea. No northern white state is viable without all these assets.
2. We want a second American Revolution.
What hogwash. These numb skull American separatists don't seem to know what they are up against. The American system is a monster with a mind of its own. The Confederacy couldn't succeed in its constitutionally legitimate aims. The US system bombed the Third Reich into rubble. It defeated the Empire of Japan. It fought a war five thousand miles away from land in the centre of the Pacific Ocean. It waged war at altitudes of 5 miles over Asia and Europe, (higher than mount Everest.) The US military/ industrial complex quite simply makes the Romans look like amateurs.
Who the hell are these separatists in comparison? Fringe lunatics, social misfits, cowards and gun freaks. A separate North West wouldn't last five minutes against the organised might of the United States military/ industrial complex. But it would lead to a lot of early and untimely deaths for White Men that could have done better in founding their own families and properly expanding the White Race. And peace is the ideal conditions for this.
Remember the Confederacy had a better chance and failed. Alaska would be a better option to run away to as it is close to a sympathetic Russia and distant from the American core territory. Further it has a tiny population and fewer muds. Then again why not run away to Greenland ( a few dozen snipers there could clear the Inuit out Greenland leaving a vast and wealthy lonely continent as lebensraum). Why not move to Russia? Russia is ten times the size of the USA and has a racially aware population an anti American system and enough nuclear weapons to defend itself. Why not flee into an unpopulated Canada?
Again No! It is dreams and fantasy. The one thing about the Creativity Religion is that it is about reality and practicality. If people won't or can't listen to that they cannot be helped.
Any North West separatist war is doomed to failure from the beginning even before it starts. The Boers tried it against the British Empire and no people on earth are better able to fight a resistance war than the Boer. The Boers were crushed because the British learned from the American rebellion. Thats what military strategists do. They learn from mistakes and past experience. It seems White separatists and dreamers completely lack this faculty and I will not get into the camp of loosers. The American in many ways is deluded by his own mythos that they defeated the supposed tyrannical British by armed rebellion in 1776. The reality is that within two years the American economy had collapsed and the usa was begging to rejoin the British empire- and was refused.
I must empahsise The White Race has to win this time round. We cannot afford a repeat of the US civil war, the Boer war, ww1 or ww2. We have to get it right and only the Creativity Religion comes close to having a successful plan of action based on the logic and experience of History. It can all be won peacefully by wit, breeding and staying one step ahead of the enemy
Speaking of battle tactics and strategy ...The Mongols had a tried a tested battle formula to attack the enemy in order to destroy them. First they would provoke their enemy, faint a retreat and lure them into a killing zone and then slaughter them in a pre arranged killing ground. The North West is just such a killing ground
3. The North West idea is a state sponsored quarantine system promulgated by FBI agent provocateur Covington to isolate and neutralise White American Resistance. Make them run away into the hills and abandon the land of their fathers. Replace them with ethnic Mexicans, Chinese and any of the variegated muds of the world in the rest of the continental USA. Play actors, fantasists and cowards fall for this idea.
4. Another reason the North West is a no no is because every geologist would laugh at the prospect of a civilisation being maintained there. The reason there are mountains in an area is because of orogeny. Mountains are made by earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and geologic instability. To put it mildly the mount St Helens eruption was tiny in the geological scheme of things. The North West probably experiences something 100 times as massive every 1000 years or so -pretty much wiping out all life in the area. Even on a longer time scale North American biodiversity is very low suggesting a complete wipe out of the whole continent between every 500- 50 thousand years. For the White race to survive the next million years we regard this whole earth as our territory by right of conquest.
5. The White Race is in difficulty and we have to work hard but it isn't going to be saved by sitting down.
The only solution is to spread the word.. go door to door, speak, communicate, polarise and wake up the White populous peacefully. The White Race must breed and politicise itself into power or an agreed legal and peaceful partition of the territory.
6. Terrorism is a none starter. Much as I would like to see the fall and destruction of the United States it is foolishness to think terrorism or armed resistance can work. Technology alone precludes this. Anyone and everyone can be spied upon eavesdropped and stopped and arrested before they can even get started. About the only terrorism that can work is the frustrated loner action that gains no sympathy, heaps scorn on the cause yet whose only positive is to ease the pain of the person making the self sacrifice. Any Creator considering such would need to disavow or resign Creativity to protect the Peace credentials of our Religion.
7. The North West as a territory with its low population is more vulnerable to an influx of none whites. Even now the US government is planning Chinese populated industrial zones there. It also has high levels of ultra violet radiation compared to the north east of North America. These are things to consider very carefully.
8. On a different note it does make some sense to abandon areas like Southern California. Different people can tolerate different levels of mud population, personally I can't stand the sight of a single one.
Essay by Reverend K 2011
When the racial war turns bloody - and it will because it will start somewhere and ... monkey see, monkey do - there will be nowhere to hide in America or any formerly all White nation.
As we Creators often say, it's fight or die White man.
Great essay
The idea that HAC is regarded as a "leader" is a sad reflection on the state of "the movement". Those who lend credence to this man, his writings or his "NF" generally haven't a clue as to his real MO.
Yes, great essay, Reverend Van Damme.
I notice that the
advertiser for the Northwest Frontier idiocy that chose to attempt to impose his claptrap on Creators, has not replied. While I do understand that people have lives and don't necessarily work all day at a computer terminal like I do - see Creative IT World (http://creativeitworld.com) - it's possible that the
advertiser thought that we Creators would ignore rationality and go the road of abuse against Weird Harold, thereby giving them the opportunity to sink their teeth in and prove that Creativity has no plan, no way of life ... no viable solution to counter either the Jew or Weird Harold's run and hide fantasies.
Well, if they do choose to reply, thanks to you Reverend Van Damme, I have all the answers I could ever want about the Northwest Frontier at my fingertips. And of course if anyone else wants to reply, they are welcome to it ... my only order is to remain civil and professional.
Of course, if they do choose to bring up any of Weird Harold's libellous accusations against Founder Klassen and Reverend Will Williams, we have enough ammunition of our own to counter that:
Harold Covington
The Anatomy of a Hypocrite (P.M.E. Klassen re Harold Covington)
L.A. Times Refutes Covington's Lies on P.M.E. Klassen (Newspaper Article)https://creativityalliance.com/articles.htm (https://creativityalliance.com/articles.htm)
And more ... just search for COVINGTON in Creator Forum
Covington: Enemy of Creativity, and man of 1,000 aliases, nixes pseudonyms
Here's a good one https://creativityalliance.com/forum/index.php/topic,5782.html (https://creativityalliance.com/forum/index.php/topic,5782.html)
Or see Skunks and the Big Lie Technique: Racial Loyalty 75, page 5
https://creativityalliance.com/eBook-BenKlassen-RacialLoyalty-Issue75.pdf (https://creativityalliance.com/eBook-BenKlassen-RacialLoyalty-Issue75.pdf)
Or pay a visit to White Nations Forum and ask Reverend Williams what he has to say about it.
http://whitenations.com/member.php?u=97 (http://whitenations.com/member.php?u=97)
@Cailen.
5. The White Race is in difficulty and we have to work hard but it isn't going to be saved by sitting down.
The only solution is to spread the word.. go door to door, speak, communicate, polarise and wake up the White populous peacefully. The White Race must breed and politicise itself into power or an agreed legal and peaceful partition of the territory.
This is the hard part.. how to we get to where we want to go? It is all easier said than done. :-\
The white women all want to work and must work to compete with the Asians who are allowed to buy up our land, the pill has stopped white population breeding, we have "feminazis" who want to make men out dated, men get jaded and go get a Chink "dial a bride by paying off daddy".
The kids care about nothing unless it has a joystick.. or contains some sort of drug.
The Adults care about nothing except:- beer, football, materialism, Hollywood.
If you do want to have an opinion and make some noise, what happens?
The media hunts you down, ZOG tells your employer you are a nazi and a trouble maker. The Government puts you on "thin ice" by heavily scrutinising you with the Tax office or the welfare office, people in Government departments try "splitting hairs" and wrapping everything you do up in so much red tape.
There is someone I know here who has this sort of trouble.
Rallies are not the way of the future as CCTV is everywhere, ZOG knows you are going to be around , and they'll try spy on you.
The only way you can hope to do something is guerrilla sort of stuff, just pop up "hit and run" activism/ tantrum and go back to the shadows. The Lebanese crooks know this and they use these methods to prove points and get way with it all. The only people who don't use these sorts of methods is us.
Hi all,
Although I personally am far being fan of Harold Covington (I do enjoy the fictional books though), I have been reflecting for some time now about the value of the idea of founding a white land and I think it'is not a bad idea in itself. I'm not saying it is faisible right now, not sure how it should be done, nor do I think his books are realistic about how this may come about. But the idea is there and one must admit no one else actually DOES anything real in that direction. So anyways.
I came here (and elsewhere) to see what you guys thought about it and stumbled upon the fact that you seem to nourish a deep hatered for the character. Perhaps for good reasons, I don't know haven't been a WN for so long and I abhor spending too much time on bulletin boards, especially to follow gossips. I understand that fatso may have defamed a few of you in the past and all that whatever. Then my english is far from perfect but did I read that you or one of you were actually using the jews-tice system to sue the guy? I mean that can't be for real right?
Welcome to the forum. Without wanting to add to the drama you ought to avail of the search facility which will give you a greater insight into the odious Covington. I have not, nor would I read any of his books. Creators do not believe in geographical retreat, rather expansion thus we see no merit in the NW "idea", an idea he(HAC) copied from others..
Covington is bad news. He bashed Creativity and Klassen, stay away from him completely.
On the NFW:
"I started realizing that Harold wasn't the great white answer to anything. His whole group is just a scam. It's just Harold basically begging for money from his supporters — he gets in about $40,000 in donations a year. And he just lives off the money. He doesn't spend it on the revolution like he claims."
I've read most of the threads that pop on a search of "Covington" already and like I said I'm not a fan of his at all. An e-mail exchange with him two years ago left me with an impression of an abrasive sob and I'm not impressed with anyone trying to gain followers by smearing other members of the WN community (if such a community exists at all)which he does constantly on his radio show.
My post pointed two things: the idea of establishing a white base, a fort if you like. And the idea of one of your members using the judicial system to actually sue someone. So what's your take on theses?
In Racial Loyalty no. 41 (August '88) Klassen wrote an article entitled "This Planet is All Ours." He condemned territorial fragmentation as "bizarre and insane" saying that it "hardly warrants our consideration." That article is available online.
Matt Hale encouraged his church to consolidate near his headquarters in Illinois, but that's a different idea from balkanizing the United States.
Concerning the lawsuit, even among honest folk there are disagreements. At this point in time it would probably be better to save everyone's time and money by settling out of court. Arbitration is one such method that is cheaper, faster, and doesn't involve the government. I would suggest that over suing a brother or sister. Disagreeing in unity is a different thing entirely than disagreeing to cause disunity and should be handled accordingly.
Covington smeared our Premier Church (with filth I will not repeat here), it's Founder and Membership, then attempted to sue Founder Klassen and Reverend Will Williams when they countered his smears with a dose of the truth ... and Covington lost. Having lost his case did not stop Covington, and so over the years he only become more viral with this claims and counter claims. And with the success of Creativity, Covington was able to spread his disease to our natural enemies, the Christinsane, who seized upon Covington's filth as if it was the manner of their own salvation and ran with it ... and so it continues to this day. Reverend Will Williams saw the success that a court house had dealing with a problem like Covington, and so took Covington back to court to force him to prove himself or admit to slander and libel. Covington refused to attend the court and instead sent a letter to the judge stating that Reverend Williams is a neo-Nazi, White Supremacist, anti-Semite who's word should never be allowed to be accepted in a court of law. Basically, Covington attempted to portray himself as a humble writer of fiction, doing his duty as an American citizen tearing down
Nazi scum. The irony is, had Covington attended court, a win for Reverend Williams would have meant that Covington would have merely had to pay Court Costs - around $100 - as the truth was enough of a win for Creativity. The judge instead recognised the mendacity of Covington's letter, understood the libellous nature of Covington's filth, and Reverend Williams was awarded tens of thousands of dollars in compensation ... for which he has not yet been paid, and so has a reward out for anyone that can find Covington, who now lives much like a hobo in an effort to avoid paying Reverend Williams.
The moral is that if someone is prepared to libel you beyond a few insults and turns it into a major campaign to completely destroy your life, and you are capable of proving to the satisfaction of a court of law that everything they have said is a lie, then it behoves you to bring that ...
person into a court of law and have them state their case. If then they are the type that cannot shut the hell up after they lose, then all it takes is the revelation of the court documents and any sane person will disregard the libellous fool for what he is.
In this case, Covington's letter to the judge is his own damnation. As for his sick, viral campaign against Founder Klassen, Reverend Williams and our Church in general, it is well known who Founder Klassen was and what his and our origins are. Apart from a few Christinsane, the only ones that pay attention to Covington these days are the ADL and the SPLC. Even those that read Covington's novels or buy into his Northwest
scheme scam know that a lot of what Covington says is pure garbage.
Lastly: Could Reverend Williams at any time in the last twenty or so years hired a private detective to locate Covington and serve him with the court order to pay up or go directly to jail? The answer is, yes of course he could have; the man is no pauper. But why hasn't he done so? Because it is just as easy to have Covington squirm and live as a hobo for the rest of his life. Why waste money tracking Covington down when you can destroy him for free ... and still live with the possibility of a considerable payout if he's ever caught?
@Cailen.Edit - A Correction from Reverend WilliamsYou've got that partially right, Cailen, but allow me to respectfully correct you on a couple of points.
I'm no pauper, right, but far from rich. My wife and I live month to month on a fixed income from Social Security and Veterans Administration.
I answered and filed HAC's defamation claim against me and the P.M. back in 1989 myself, with no lawyer assisting. Nine years later, the attorney who eventually won the judgment took my case pro bono. He was a prince, and the only reason I was able to prevail after 18 months of HAC's Internet drama. I paid a PI $350 to surveil, then serve HAC prior to winning that defamation lawsuit.
This is the main Creativity Religion essay by Ben Klassen dealing with the case against the North west option.
http://rtpiao.wordpress.com/rahowa-its-ramifications/ (http://rtpiao.wordpress.com/rahowa-its-ramifications/)
this is not to count out the case against Whites organically coalescing in places where they are safe and safe to raise families. I expect such a migration to be northwards to cooler climes in the USa . Even In south africa the whites are moving westwards because in the east they are outnumbered 25 to 1 (though I believe that the Zulus are less violent to white people in the North east than the Xhosa in the south east. In the west the whites are only outnumbered 4;1 and there is a gravity now towards the south west by the south African whites. This is s good move as the SW is strategically more defensible and capable of supporting an independent White state.
Here is an essay by reverend Keith supporting Ben Klassens original essay.
http://creativityresourcearea2.wordpress.com/ (http://creativityresourcearea2.wordpress.com/)
With all due respect for you brothers and Covington's case notwithstanding, the idea of gathering the racially aware and probably genetically soundest of our race into the same space would give us an edge we simply don't have right now. And I don't mean solely escaping the grips of the Jewish mental disease or mud tides, but also the hopeless masses of infected whites. We cannot win a propaganda war in the current state of things. I don't mean to be unnecessarily negative, both the future is more than grim right now and I see no light at the end of the tunnel.
And so I think the salvation of our race will come through a large gathering, or we will slowly wither away in wishful thinking.
From Racial Loyalty tabloid Issue No. 75, November 1991
https://creativityalliance.com/eBook-BenKlassen-RacialLoyalty-Issue75.pdf (https://creativityalliance.com/eBook-BenKlassen-RacialLoyalty-Issue75.pdf)
About Skunks and the Big Lie TechniqueImagine the following scenario. You and your family are having a pleasant barbecue lunch in your backyard with your neighbors and an uninvited skunk intrudes upon the scene. You hope it will leave but the filthy varmint persists in remaining to stink up the place. What can you do? About the only way to end it would be to get your gun and blast it into oblivion. But even that doesn't solve the problem. The stench lingers on. Such is the case with a skunk called Harold Covington.
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Hitler, in his book Mein Kampf, described the "big lie" technique used by the Jews, which in essence says that if you tell a big enough li, at least some people will believe it. Evidently Harold is following the big lie technique and using the sleaziest form of slander possible. He is making a major campaign out of it and no doubt somebody is paying him good money to do it. Who would be so treacherous as to pay this miserable race traitor to do such a vicious smear job? The Jewish ADL immediately comes to mind.
Harold is making it a full time slander campaign to compose the filthiest, sleaziest accusations against me that are so vile, so vicious I couldn't imagine anyone being able to invent such filthy episodes. However, Harold did support a convicted sex pervert and child molester by the name of Frank Collin in Chicago. For five years he funded him, ate with him and slept with him. Strangely, Hemorrhoid Harold seems to be obsessed about anal sex, and revels in endlessly recycling such filth. The only conclusion I can come to is that he is vicariously reliving his own sexual fantasies. As Carlos Porter, who knows Hemorrhoid Harold, has testified, Harold Covington used the same type of sexual smear and slander campaign for 10 years against Commander Matt Koehl of the N.S. White Peoples' Party, trying to besmirch his reputation by means of the big lie technique. This swine of a Covington has now invented an alter ego by the name of Charles Williams who supposedly visited me for a few minutes at some specified date. This too is a vicious lie. I have never met any Charles Williams and doubt that he exists.
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Nobody really believes Harold's filthy lies. Furthermore, I have never met Harold, and he has not the slightest evidence or reason to launch his tirade of sleazy lies. However, for those prurient few who may have some lingering doubts and want me to make a forthright denial just for the record, I will reluctantly oblige, although it is extremely painful for me to do so. I categorically and vehemently deny associating with any homos or sex perverts in all of the 73 years of my life, nor have I ever had the slightest inclination toward any form of sexual perversion. I regard such creeps as an abomination against Nature and they are highly repugnant to me. In fact I hardly took note of their existence until about 15 years ago when singer Anita Bryant confronted the homosexual brigade. I was shocked when watching a television interview and saw one of those creeps sneak up and smash a lemon pie in her face -- in full view of the television cameras. Neither the cameraman nor the interviewer rushed to her aid, but calmly kept her on camera. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Bryant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anita_Bryant) That brought home to me the fact that these miscreants had not only escaped from the closet, but were now highly organized.
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I also vehemently deny another vicious lie being spread by Covington, namely that I am a Jew. My Mennonite ancestry and geneology is fully chronicled, not only in my 500 page autobiography, but also by the Klassen family Geneology, compiled earlier by one of my uncles, and numerous other official records. Repugnant as these foul, vicious lies may be, we are not going to let filthy Hemorrhoid Harold and his Jewish promoters slow down the expansion of Creativity in the slightest. Delenda est Judaica! Delenda to the skunks!
B.K., P.M. Note: A lot of good Anita's praying for the queers got her. The organized queer community ruined this talented, beautiful lady's career, her marriage and her life for standing up to them and their promotion of perverse lifestyles
From Page 4, Issue No. 55 of Racial Loyalty tabloid, October 1989
https://creativityalliance.com/eBook-BenKlassen-RacialLoyalty-Issue55.pdf (https://creativityalliance.com/eBook-BenKlassen-RacialLoyalty-Issue55.pdf)
About Filthy Harold
To Racial Loyalty:
EXTRA! EXTRA! READ ALL ABOUT IT! 33 NORTHERN STATES ADDED TO CONFEDERACY! (Confederate News Service)
In an official communique, Harold Covington, mini-fuehrer of the Confederacy, announced that 33 Northern States are eligible for membership in his newly independent "country".
As the self-appointed representative of 16 Confederate states that never existed. Harold Hare-brain has come under criticism: what is to happen to us-all up Nawth, y'all?
No problem! No provision of the Confederate Constitution prohibits admission of additional states; thus, northern states are free to vote to join. All 50 states will be admitted, says Harold President-for-Life, except Hawaii, which will remain a simple military garrison (Why Hawaii? what makes Hawaii worse than Texas?).
Thus, changing the name of the country is the solution to everything: when we triumph completely, we will be right back where we started! (which is typical of Harold; but no matter.)
In any case, the basic legal document for us is the Constitution of the Confederate States; haven't we forgotten something?
According to the Confederate Constitution, slavery is legal; the Confederate government has no power to interfere with slavery. This constitution has never been rescinded, since Jefferson Davis never surrendered; this Constitution is still in force. Is Harold going to bring back slavery?
Is this Harold's solution to the race problem? Are the citizens of 33 Northern States going to vote for this? How will it be enforced?
What are the blacks worth to you? I wouldn't give a nickle for 10 of them (although I would accept their record royalties if you twist my arm.)
(Associates of Horrid Harold, the Weched Wabbi of the Confederacy, says that his brainstorm by Harold no. 1; Harold no. 2 is wearing his Napoleon hat, since Napoleon never surrendered either and refused to claim prisoner of war status; vive l'Empereur!)
It's like I said before, Harold should retire to a quiet rest home where he can play with blocks.
I'm still waiting to see if I can get a full set of your papers going back to the beginning. Please put me on your list of subscribers.
Faithfully,
Carlos M. Porter
Belgium
ED. NOTE [by Ben Klassen]: This isn't all Filthy Harold has been yakking about. Evidently, either the ADL, the FBI or the CIA, or all three, are paying Filthy Harold to do a full-time smear on me personally. Although he has not the slightest evidence or grounds for doing this hatchet job, he has now engaged in a full-time campaign, writing personal letters to anybody and everybody, using the filthiest of all possible language, accusing me of the vilest of a whole laundry list of abhorrent sex aberrations, the kind of slime that could only ooze from out of a sorely diseased and demented brain. If you have received one of those letters, send it on to us and add to our collection, so we can nail the hide of this filthy scoundrel to the wall.
Just noticed this thread. I worked with Covington on the NSWPP staff. He was a self-centered and self-serving character. I knew 50 years later that Covington would still be around preaching the gospel so to speak. But also knew he could never be trusted, and wrote a thread about it on Stormfront once, which attracted thousands of views. Many other patriots have learned the hard way about Covington. He was a slob and no doubt his lifestyle and eating habits did him in.