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Red Flag Laws are anti Creativity
« on: 19 October 2019 at 14:29 »
Ben Klassen said to never give up our guns. Red Flag Laws are against the teachings of Creativity

* CREATIVE CREDO No. 65 Article 13 excerpt:
[CREATORS therefore deem any government that violates the Constitution, and violates our civil rights, as nothing more han a band of criminals. A FREE PEOPLE IS NEVER UNARMED AND AN UNARMED PEOPLE IS NEVER FREE. We must never forget that any compromise that weakens us or weakens our ability to defend ourselves will only make the struggle that much harder in the future. We must also remember that there is nothing the Jews fear more than a mobilized, united and armed White Race. Guns are our last resort, if necessary. We CREATORS therefore must never, never, never give up our guns or the right to bear them, come hell or high water. Militant resistance is our only defense.]

Since the conception of these laws I've been waiting for the first news article of a racially conscious person being charged or an "evil White supremacist". And as I suspected it didn't take long.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/guns-seized-washington-man-said-be-neo-nazi-leader-prepping-n1068956

Guns seized from Washington man said to be neo-Nazi leader prepping for 'race war'

Kaleb James Cole was not charged with any crime, but the guns were taken under the state's "red flag" law.

Oct. 18, 2019, 10:23 PM CDT / Updated Oct. 19, 2019, 1:01 AM CDT
By Phil Helsel

Firearms belonging to the suspected leader of a neo-Nazi group who was thought to be preparing for a "race war" have been seized under a "red flag" law in Washington state, according to court documents.

Authorities removed five rifles, three pistols and other gun components from Kaleb James Cole, 24, under a state law that allows authorities to take guns from people deemed to be a risk to themselves or others for up to a year, authorities said. Cole has not been charged with any crime.

Seattle City Attorney Pete Holmes believes the seizure, which court documents indicate happened Sept. 26, may have prevented a massacre.

"This is a hate-filled human being, but unfortunately one who possesses really alarming numbers of weapons," Holmes said.

Attempts to reach Cole at phone numbers listed in public records that may be linked to him were not successful Friday evening. It was not immediately clear if he has an attorney.

Prosecutors filed a lawsuit against Cole invoking the state’s red flag law and seeking an "extreme risk protection order." Seventeen states and Washington, D.C. have laws allowing family members or police to remove weapons from people who may be dangerous, according to The Pew Charitable Trusts.

The National Rifle Association has opposed some current protection order laws, arguing they deprive gun owners of due process.

Firearms allegedly owned by Kaleb James Cole which were seized by Washington state officials recently.Seattle Police Dept

Cole is a self-admitted member of the "Atomwaffen Division" — which the Southern Poverty Law Center says is a terroristic national socialist organization that believes in using violence for “apocalyptic, racial cleansing” — and is thought to be the leader of the Washington state chapter, Seattle police said in its petition for the court order.

Police believe Cole participated in recent firearm training and recruitment efforts at “hate camps,” which officials say he helped organize.

"It appears that he has gone from espousing hate to now taking active steps or preparation for an impending 'race war,'" Seattle police said in the petition.

Included with the police petition were a cellphone photo of Cole giving the Nazi salute, and another of him and another person standing in front of the Auschwitz death camp in Poland.

Cole was stopped as he arrived at Chicago’s O’Hare Airport in December 2018 after a 25-day trip to eastern Europe, and officials then noted that he had been identified in an article as being Atomwaffen’s Washington state chapter leader, Customs and Border Protection said in documents attached to the petition.

Cole allegedly admitted his membership, and CBP wrote in its report that he "stated that he shares a fascist ideology, 'strong dominate the weak.'"

But that report also said that Cole told officials he discourages members from doing anything illegal and that his group is not interested in the overthrow of the U.S. government. He said he owned an AK-47 and several handguns for protection. Cole was released after being questioned, the report says.

Cole was deported from Canada earlier this year because officials there felt he was a member of an organization that may engage in terrorism, Seattle police said in its petition for the extreme risk protection order. Cole is said to have been barred from Canada for life.

King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg told NBC affiliate KING of Seattle that the in addition to the weapons seized, which included what he characterized as military-style assault rifles, components and tools that could be used to make untraceable firearms were also found.

Satterberg said that much of the material presented to the judge was information already on the Internet and involved statements by Cole.

"It wasn’t anything super-secret that we had to tell the judge. It was just: 'here’s what this guy’s about, he’s leading other people in practicing and informing a potentially violent cell that would act on their white supremacist views,'" Satterberg told the station.

"So, that was enough to convince this judge that at least temporarily — let’s take a time out. Let’s take these guns out and see what we’ve got here," he said. "It isn't a crime, he’s not being charged, he’s not in jail ... it is a way to slow things down."

The issue of red flag laws, like the Washington one under which Cole's weapons were seized, has been raised in Congress following mass shootings this year in Gilroy, California, El Paso, Texas, and in Dayton, Ohio.

The NRA's Institute for Legislative Action denied media reports that suggested the group supports red flag laws as they exist in some states, and it said it opposes such laws because they do not protect due process rights.

"We will only support an ERPO process that strongly protects both Second Amendment rights and due process rights at the same time," the NRA said in January.
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Re: Red Flag Laws are anti Creativity
« Reply #1 on: 19 October 2019 at 20:29 »
Just as predicted in Dr Pierce's fictional novel, The Turner Diaries.

Under TTD's the Cohen Act:

* Guns were first removed from known White Activists
* The gullible White suburbanite slobs were encouraged to voluntarily hand in their weapons
* Then the White populace was forcibly disarmed

* Non-Whites were allowed to keep their weapons because it's racist to go after someone's guns just because of their race and/or their beliefs

The fiction is now the reality.
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Re: Red Flag Laws are anti Creativity
« Reply #2 on: 10 November 2019 at 14:47 »
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prosecutors-seize-new-jersey-man-s-rifle-over-his-alleged-n1079101

Prosecutors seize New Jersey man's rifle over his alleged anti-Semitism

The 51-year-old man allegedly "advocated and celebrated the killing of Jewish people," according to court records.

Nov. 8, 2019, 4:17 PM CST
By Suzanne Ciechalski and David K. Li

Local prosecutors seized the rifle of a south New Jersey man, accusing him of anti-Semitism and advocating for the killing of Jewish people, according to court documents.

David Greco, a 51-year-old who lives in the Philadelphia suburb of Gloucester Township, was targeted by Camden County prosecutors under a new state law, the "Extreme Risk Protective Order Act," that allows authorities to seize guns from a person shown to be a potential risk.

A spokeswoman for the Camden County Prosecutor's Office declined to discuss the case on Friday.

Greco is fighting the Sept. 6 seizure of his Norinco SKS rifle in state court and has filed a federal lawsuit against city, county and state officials, challenging the entire statute.

After monitoring Greco's social media for months, "respondent has threatened, advocated and celebrated the killing of Jewish people and has celebrated the mass shootings in Pittsburgh and New Zealand," according to Greco's federal lawsuit which quotes a court order to disarm him.

Greco's lawyer, Albert J. Rescinio, acknowledged that his client's language can be coarse but insisted the New Jersey bus driver is not dangerous.

"There is not a direct threat to take some kind of physical action," Rescinio told NBC News.

Asked if his client dislikes Jewish people, Rescinio said: "Not specifically."
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Re: Red Flag Laws are anti Creativity
« Reply #3 on: 10 November 2019 at 20:28 »
Well this isn’t the US but I heard a rumour that a guy involved in a skinhead group here had firearms taken off him for no reason. Just somebody the system doesn’t like.

Then again owning guns here is more of a privilege than a right.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/virginia-senate-approves-red-flag-law-allowing-temporary-seizure-of-guns-from-someone-deemed-a-threat/ar-BBZeikH

Virginia Senate approves ‘red flag’ law allowing temporary seizure of guns from someone deemed a threat

Gregory S. Schneider

RICHMOND —The Virginia Senate on Wednesday passed a "red flag" law that would allow authorities to temporarily seize the firearm of someone deemed a threat, a measure that was strongly opposed by gun rights advocates who swarmed the streets around the state Capitol on Monday.

The bill passed on a party-line vote of 21-19, with every Democrat in favor and every Republican against. Debate grew unusually sharp as some GOP senators suggested that the bill would violate the Second Amendment’s right to bear arms.

“Each legislator that votes in favor of this bill in my opinion is a traitor to Virginia, a traitor to the Second Amendment and a traitor to our constitutional freedoms,” said Sen. Amanda F. Chase (R-Chesterfield), the gun-toting iconoclast known for her provocative style.

Sen. Janet D. Howell (D-Fairfax) threatened to write a formal complaint against Chase for violating Senate rules against “speaking offense” to members. “I am deeply offended,” Howell said, adding that she would hold off in her complaint only because Chase admitted she had not read the rules.

Other Republican senators tried to dial back the heat but argued that they felt the law was dangerous because it allowed police to seize weapons from someone based only on a civil complaint, not for breaking the law.


Virginia 2nd Amendment Gun Rights Protesters deemed a threat by MSM & Democrats

“I’m not going to invoke any highflying rhetoric,” Sen. Mark D. Obenshain (R-Rockingham) said after Chase’s outburst. “I think we’re all about trying to keep Virginia safer. However we have very differing views” on how to do it.

Opponents also argued the bill would put police officers into risky situations by having them confront someone who might not want to surrender their weapons. Sen. A. Benton Chafin Jr. (R-Russell) invoked the specter of Ruby Ridge, the Idaho compound where federal marshals got into a gun battle with a barricaded family group.

Chafin warned that “bloodshed . . . will occur as a result of this bill.”


The bill was among four gun control measures that passed out of a Senate committee last week. The other three — limiting handgun purchases to one per month, requiring background checks on all firearms purchases, and letting localities ban weapons from certain events and government buildings — have already passed the Senate.

The red-flag bill, which establishes what’s known as an extreme risk protective order, moved more slowly through the full Senate as members of both parties worked to address concerns about how the law would be implemented. Both Minority Leader Thomas K. Norment Jr. (R-James City) and Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax (D) had urged senators to build more due process into the measure.

Amendments were included to require law enforcement agencies to consult with a commonwealth’s attorney before requesting a protective order and to require an affidavit of supporting facts, among numerous other tweaks.

“This is a clear improvement,” the bill’s chief sponsor, Sen. George L. Barker (D-Fairfax), said before the vote. “We’re going to continue to listen . . . [and] we may make further changes throughout the process.”

The bill will next go to the House of Delegates, which has yet to take up its own red-flag proposal or other gun-control bills that have been advocated by Gov. Ralph Northam (D).

Two days after tens of thousands of protesters thronged downtown Richmond to rage against gun control, Democrats said they were undeterred in seeking gun restrictions, which they said voters overwhelmingly endorsed by electing them last fall.

“We are headed in a positive direction with this legislation, which will protect lives and reduce violence in Virginia,” Barker said.

A Senate committee spent Wednesday afternoon taking up dozens of bills related to gun violence. The panel killed a series of Republican-backed measures to increase mandatory-minimum sentences for gun law violations, an approach that Democrats said does not deter crime and simply increases prison population.

“They’re bad policy,” Sen. Scott A. Surovell (D-Fairfax) said.

A House committee struck down a similar slate of measures Tuesday.
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