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Red Flag Laws are anti Creativity
« on: 19 October 2019 at 14:29 »
Ben Klassen said to never give up our guns. Red Flag Laws are against the teachings of Creativity

* CREATIVE CREDO No. 65 Article 13 excerpt:
[CREATORS therefore deem any government that violates the Constitution, and violates our civil rights, as nothing more han a band of criminals. A FREE PEOPLE IS NEVER UNARMED AND AN UNARMED PEOPLE IS NEVER FREE. We must never forget that any compromise that weakens us or weakens our ability to defend ourselves will only make the struggle that much harder in the future. We must also remember that there is nothing the Jews fear more than a mobilized, united and armed White Race. Guns are our last resort, if necessary. We CREATORS therefore must never, never, never give up our guns or the right to bear them, come hell or high water. Militant resistance is our only defense.]

Since the conception of these laws I've been waiting for the first news article of a racially conscious person being charged or an "evil White supremacist". And as I suspected it didn't take long.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/guns-seized-washington-man-said-be-neo-nazi-leader-prepping-n1068956

Guns seized from Washington man said to be neo-Nazi leader prepping for 'race war'

Kaleb James Cole was not charged with any crime, but the guns were taken under the state's "red flag" law.

Oct. 18, 2019, 10:23 PM CDT / Updated Oct. 19, 2019, 1:01 AM CDT
By Phil Helsel

Firearms belonging to the suspected leader of a neo-Nazi group who was thought to be preparing for a "race war" have been seized under a "red flag" law in Washington state, according to court documents.

Authorities removed five rifles, three pistols and other gun components from Kaleb James Cole, 24, under a state law that allows authorities to take guns from people deemed to be a risk to themselves or others for up to a year, authorities said. Cole has not been charged with any crime.

Seattle City Attorney Pete Holmes believes the seizure, which court documents indicate happened Sept. 26, may have prevented a massacre.

"This is a hate-filled human being, but unfortunately one who possesses really alarming numbers of weapons," Holmes said.

Attempts to reach Cole at phone numbers listed in public records that may be linked to him were not successful Friday evening. It was not immediately clear if he has an attorney.

Prosecutors filed a lawsuit against Cole invoking the state’s red flag law and seeking an "extreme risk protection order." Seventeen states and Washington, D.C. have laws allowing family members or police to remove weapons from people who may be dangerous, according to The Pew Charitable Trusts.

The National Rifle Association has opposed some current protection order laws, arguing they deprive gun owners of due process.

Firearms allegedly owned by Kaleb James Cole which were seized by Washington state officials recently.Seattle Police Dept

Cole is a self-admitted member of the "Atomwaffen Division" — which the Southern Poverty Law Center says is a terroristic national socialist organization that believes in using violence for “apocalyptic, racial cleansing” — and is thought to be the leader of the Washington state chapter, Seattle police said in its petition for the court order.

Police believe Cole participated in recent firearm training and recruitment efforts at “hate camps,” which officials say he helped organize.

"It appears that he has gone from espousing hate to now taking active steps or preparation for an impending 'race war,'" Seattle police said in the petition.

Included with the police petition were a cellphone photo of Cole giving the Nazi salute, and another of him and another person standing in front of the Auschwitz death camp in Poland.

Cole was stopped as he arrived at Chicago’s O’Hare Airport in December 2018 after a 25-day trip to eastern Europe, and officials then noted that he had been identified in an article as being Atomwaffen’s Washington state chapter leader, Customs and Border Protection said in documents attached to the petition.

Cole allegedly admitted his membership, and CBP wrote in its report that he "stated that he shares a fascist ideology, 'strong dominate the weak.'"

But that report also said that Cole told officials he discourages members from doing anything illegal and that his group is not interested in the overthrow of the U.S. government. He said he owned an AK-47 and several handguns for protection. Cole was released after being questioned, the report says.

Cole was deported from Canada earlier this year because officials there felt he was a member of an organization that may engage in terrorism, Seattle police said in its petition for the extreme risk protection order. Cole is said to have been barred from Canada for life.

King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg told NBC affiliate KING of Seattle that the in addition to the weapons seized, which included what he characterized as military-style assault rifles, components and tools that could be used to make untraceable firearms were also found.

Satterberg said that much of the material presented to the judge was information already on the Internet and involved statements by Cole.

"It wasn’t anything super-secret that we had to tell the judge. It was just: 'here’s what this guy’s about, he’s leading other people in practicing and informing a potentially violent cell that would act on their white supremacist views,'" Satterberg told the station.

"So, that was enough to convince this judge that at least temporarily — let’s take a time out. Let’s take these guns out and see what we’ve got here," he said. "It isn't a crime, he’s not being charged, he’s not in jail ... it is a way to slow things down."

The issue of red flag laws, like the Washington one under which Cole's weapons were seized, has been raised in Congress following mass shootings this year in Gilroy, California, El Paso, Texas, and in Dayton, Ohio.

The NRA's Institute for Legislative Action denied media reports that suggested the group supports red flag laws as they exist in some states, and it said it opposes such laws because they do not protect due process rights.

"We will only support an ERPO process that strongly protects both Second Amendment rights and due process rights at the same time," the NRA said in January.
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Re: Red Flag Laws are anti Creativity
« Reply #1 on: 19 October 2019 at 20:29 »
Just as predicted in Dr Pierce's fictional novel, The Turner Diaries.

Under TTD's the Cohen Act:

* Guns were first removed from known White Activists
* The gullible White suburbanite slobs were encouraged to voluntarily hand in their weapons
* Then the White populace was forcibly disarmed

* Non-Whites were allowed to keep their weapons because it's racist to go after someone's guns just because of their race and/or their beliefs

The fiction is now the reality.
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Re: Red Flag Laws are anti Creativity
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prosecutors-seize-new-jersey-man-s-rifle-over-his-alleged-n1079101

Prosecutors seize New Jersey man's rifle over his alleged anti-Semitism

The 51-year-old man allegedly "advocated and celebrated the killing of Jewish people," according to court records.

Nov. 8, 2019, 4:17 PM CST
By Suzanne Ciechalski and David K. Li

Local prosecutors seized the rifle of a south New Jersey man, accusing him of anti-Semitism and advocating for the killing of Jewish people, according to court documents.

David Greco, a 51-year-old who lives in the Philadelphia suburb of Gloucester Township, was targeted by Camden County prosecutors under a new state law, the "Extreme Risk Protective Order Act," that allows authorities to seize guns from a person shown to be a potential risk.

A spokeswoman for the Camden County Prosecutor's Office declined to discuss the case on Friday.

Greco is fighting the Sept. 6 seizure of his Norinco SKS rifle in state court and has filed a federal lawsuit against city, county and state officials, challenging the entire statute.

After monitoring Greco's social media for months, "respondent has threatened, advocated and celebrated the killing of Jewish people and has celebrated the mass shootings in Pittsburgh and New Zealand," according to Greco's federal lawsuit which quotes a court order to disarm him.

Greco's lawyer, Albert J. Rescinio, acknowledged that his client's language can be coarse but insisted the New Jersey bus driver is not dangerous.

"There is not a direct threat to take some kind of physical action," Rescinio told NBC News.

Asked if his client dislikes Jewish people, Rescinio said: "Not specifically."
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Re: Red Flag Laws are anti Creativity
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Well this isn’t the US but I heard a rumour that a guy involved in a skinhead group here had firearms taken off him for no reason. Just somebody the system doesn’t like.

Then again owning guns here is more of a privilege than a right.
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