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Demjanjuk on Trial: Accused of Gassing Jews Without Proof
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'Nazi death camp guard faking illness'

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HOLOCAUST survivors today accused John Demjanjuk of faking the gravity of his illness to seek sympathy ahead of the first harrowing testimony on the killing of tens of thousands of Jews at the Sobibor death camp.

MUNICH, Germany, Dec 1 AFP - HOLOCAUST survivors [AKA Hoaxers] today accused John Demjanjuk of faking the gravity of his illness to seek sympathy ahead of the first harrowing testimony on the killing of tens of thousands of Jews at the Sobibor death camp.

A lawyer for the alleged Nazi guard - who faces charges of assisting in the gas chamber murder [there is no proof of gas chambers, just the blatantly false hearsay testimony of a few Jews] of 29,700 camp inmates - in turn hit out at what he calls "double standards'' in German justice by bringing action against a lowly soldier who did not give the orders.

Demjanjuk was pushed into his trial yesterday moaning in a wheelchair and later carried in on a stretcher.

But at the end of the day he was seen laughing and joking.

Journalists and lawyers also witnessed an apparently much more active Demjanjuk outside the courtroom.

"I am sure he is faking his condition,'' said Thomas Blatt, an 82-year-old Sobibor survivor from the Netherlands camp who is to give testimony at Demjanjuk's trial.

"Yesterday the doctor said he was better now than he was in the United States,'' Blatt said as he queued for today's hearing devoted to the formal reading of charges and the first testimony from survivors and relatives of those killed at the camp in occupied Poland.

The family of the 89-year-old Demjanjuk, who denies ever being at Sobibor, says he suffers from leukaemia and other illnesses and that he will probably not survive the trial in Munich.

"Given his now confirmed grave medical condition and his resulting inability to fully defend himself, it is farcical for anyone to say he is fit for trial and malpractice for any doctor to recommend it,'' his son John Demjanjuk junior said.

But Christoph Nerl, a specialist in blood diseases, told the court that Demjanjuk has a lesser complaint ``which is definitely not leukaemia'' and that Demjanjuk was ``in a low-risk group.''

Efraim Zuroff, head of the Nazi-hunting Simon Wiesenthal Centre in Jerusalem, said: "It's a pathetic attempt to appear more crippled than he is. He belongs in Hollywood.''

"People like Demjanjuk don't deserve any sympathy because he had no sympathy for his victims,'' he said.

Demjanjuk is accused of helping to kill 27,900 people while a guard at Sobibor in 1943. Prosecutors say they have an SS identity card bearing his name and transfer orders.



Remember Sobibor? It's the place where so many Jews were buried, that blood was supposed to geyser up out of the earth as you walked across it. It is where thousand's of Jewish children's shoes were lying scattered over the ground after their supposed murder and burial. Yet, it is also where modern science has discovered that not one bloody Jew was buried - and that is a fact!

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RE: Demjanjuk on Trial: Accused of Gassing Jews Without Proof
« Reply #1 on: 06 December 2009 at 02:33 »
Yet another reason to hate the jews! Let's take a 90 year old man, torture him psychologically for 30 years. Imprison him, release him, deport him, send him to trial. Is it going to resurrect your auntie who probably died of typhus, if she hadn't already absconded to Brooklyn? jews=filth. and those who champion the jews are equally filth. Keep it up jews, the majority of the world hates you already.
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RE: Demjanjuk on Trial: Accused of Gassing Jews Without Proof
« Reply #2 on: 06 December 2009 at 15:23 »
Good post,   haven't they already  found him not guilty in a previous trial? 
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Demjanjuk convicted over Nazi camp deaths
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Demjanjuk convicted over Nazi camp deaths

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By DAVID RISING, Associated Press

MUNICH – A German court convicted retired U.S. autoworker John Demjanjuk on Thursday of taking part in the murder of tens of thousands of Jews as a Nazi death camp guard, breaking legal ground that could pave the way for the prosecution of many low-level cogs in Hitler's machinery of destruction.

The 91-year-old Demjanjuk was sentenced to five years in prison on 28,060 counts of accessory to murder — one each for the number of people killed at the Sobibor death camp during the six months in 1943 when he was convicted of standing guard there.

But Demjanjuk will spend no immediate time behind bars. Presiding Judge Ralph Alt ordered him released from custody pending his appeal — a process that could take at least a year. It was not immediately clear when Demjanjuk would be released or where he would go.

The case was considered groundbreaking because although scores of Nazi war criminals have been tried and convicted in Germany, in this case there was no evidence that Demjanjuk (dem-YAHN'-yuk) committed a specific crime.

His prosecution was based on the theory that if Demjanjuk was at the camp in Nazi-occupied Poland, he was a participant in the killing there — the first time such a legal argument has been made in German courts.

"This case is a door opener," said Thomas Walther, a former federal prosecutor who led the investigation that prompted Germany to put Demjanjuk on trial.


The Ukrainian-born Demjanjuk was a Soviet Red Army soldier captured by the Germans in Crimea in 1942. He is accused of then agreeing to serve as a "Wachmann," or guard, the lowest rank of the "Hilfswillige," former POWs who were subordinate to German SS men.

Walther said his office has many cases that have been investigated but shelved and could now be reopened. Although it's hard to say how many living suspects might fall into the same category as Demjanjuk, it could be hundreds or more, Walther said.

"It could be very soon that more are brought to the table," he told The Associated Press.

The prospect of Demjanjuk's release pending appeal, though common under the German justice system, drew immediate ire from those who had been pushing for his conviction.

"We don't think that that's appropriate given the heinous nature of his crimes," Efraim Zuroff, the chief Nazi hunter at the Simon Wiesenthal Center, said in a telephone interview from Jerusalem.

Still, Zuroff called the conviction "a very important victory for justice."

"The verdict sends a very powerful message that even many years after the crimes of the Holocaust, the perpetrators can be brought to justice," he said. "We're hopeful that this verdict will pave the way for additional prosecutions in Germany."

Demjanjuk attorney Ulrich Busch said he was appealing the decision and expressed confidence he would succeed. Demjanjuk "will not see one day in jail," he said.

Alt said Demjanjuk did not pose a flight risk because of his age, poor health and the fact that he is stateless after being deported from the U.S. two years ago.

That meant there were no grounds to hold him, Alt said. "It's the law, and so it's justice," he told the AP. "I say he's guilty, but it's not a final verdict."

Demjanjuk's son, John Demjanjuk Jr., said his father needs daily medical attention and would likely need to be moved into an assisted care facility — the costs of which would be paid by the German government.

"We're in the planning stage and I can't say where he's going to go," he told the AP in a telephone interview from Ohio.

 Still, he said he was relieved by the decision to free his father "because he has never deserved to sit in prison for one minute."

 The younger Demjanjuk said he planned to visit his father, though he was not sure when. Demjanjuk's 85-year-old wife, Vera, is in poor health and unable to travel.

 In handing down the court's ruling, Alt called Demjanjuk a piece of the Nazis' "machinery of destruction."

"The court is convinced that the defendant ... served as a guard at Sobibor from 27 March 1943 to mid-September 1943," Alt said, referring to a period when the Nazi genocide machine was operating at full force.

 Demjanjuk sat in a wheelchair in front of the judges as they announced their verdict after the nearly 18-month trial, but showed no reaction. He has denied the charges but declined the opportunity to make a final statement to the court.

 Integral to the prosecution's case was an SS identity card that allegedly shows a picture of a young Demjanjuk and indicates he trained at the SS Trawniki camp and was posted to Sobibor.

 Though court experts said the card appears genuine, the defense maintains it is a fake produced by the Soviet KGB.

 The U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Special Investigations also has said the card is genuine, but documents recently unearthed by the AP indicate the FBI at one time had doubts similar to those aired by Demjanjuk's defense — though the material was never turned over to his attorneys.

 Alt noted that in addition to the card the court found other credible evidence, including transfer lists indicating a guard named Demjanjuk with the same Trawniki number was sent to serve in Sobibor and elsewhere.

 Rudolf Salomon Cortissos, whose mother was gassed at Sobibor along with thousands of other Dutch Jews, cried softly in a back row of the courtroom, wiping his tears with a white handkerchief, as Alt somberly read out the names of his mother and others who were killed in the death camp.

 "It's very emotional. It doesn't happen every day," he said, adding that he was happy with the verdict and sentence. "For me it is satisfying."

 Vera John de Jong of Belgium, whose parents were gassed in Sobibor, was stoic about the decision to release Demjanjuk for the time being.

 "He's been convicted, and that's what is important," she told AP. "He was probably better off in prison than he will be now because he was very well looked after there."

 Demjanjuk has been stripped of his U.S. citizenship and has been in custody in Germany since his deportation.

 Three Sobibor survivors and about three dozen other people who lost family members at the death camp joined the trial as co-plaintiffs as allowed under German law.

 Cornelius Nestler, a lawyer for the co-plaintiffs, said Demjanjuk likely would serve three years at most, given the time he has already spent in German custody.

 But he said he, too, was satisfied with the sentence, which came close to prosecutors' call for a six-year term. That call took into account Demjanjuk's age and the time he had already served in Israel in the 1980s.

 Charges of accessory to murder carry a maximum term of 15 years in Germany, which does not allow consecutive sentences for multiple counts of the same crime.

 The verdict won't entirely end more than 30 years of legal wrangling. Along with the German appeal, proceedings continue in the United States.

In the 1980s, Demjanjuk stood trial in Israel after he was accused of being the notoriously brutal guard "Ivan the Terrible" at the Treblinka extermination camp. He was convicted, sentenced to death and then freed when an Israeli court overturned the ruling, saying the evidence showed he was the victim of mistaken identity.

 Demjanjuk has always maintained he was a victim of the Nazis — first wounded as a Soviet soldier and then captured and held as a prisoner of war under brutal conditions before joining the Vlasov Army, a force of anti-communist Soviet POWs and others that was formed to fight with the Germans against the Soviets in the final months of the war.

 Prosecutors said that after his capture, the evidence shows Demjanjuk agreed to serve the German SS and was posted to Sobibor.

Now in the U.S., new litigation is under way following the AP report that brought to light the 1985 FBI report questioning the legitimacy of the Trawniki identity card used in the current prosecution. That revelation has led to new court action, with a federal judge in Cleveland agreeing this week to appoint a public defender to represent Demjanjuk there.



Demjanjuk war crimes conviction caps 30-year battle

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/05/12/germany.demjanjuk.trial/index.html?eref=igoogledmn_topstories

From Roman Lehberger, CNN May 12, 2011

The Nazis and their sympathizers killed at least 167,000 people at Sobibor in 1942 and 1943, according to the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum. Munich state prosecutors charged Demjanjuk as an accessory to about 27,900 of those deaths, and the court found the killings were "motivated by racial hatred."

Jewish groups hailed the verdict soon after it was announced. Israel's Holocaust museum, Yad Vashem, said the trial and ruling show there is no statute of limitations for the crimes of the Holocaust.

"The conviction today of Demjanjuk underscores the fact that even though the policies of the 'Final Solution' -- the systematic murder of 6 million European Jews -- were set and carried out by the German Nazi regime, the murder could not have taken place without the participation of myriads of Europeans on many levels," museum Chairman Avner Shalev said. "Their role was also criminal."

Eli Rosenbaum, the Justice Department official who led Demjanjuk's prosecution, said Thursday's verdict caps "many years of extraordinary work" by U.S. and German officials.


Comment:

Where's the evidence of mass graves? According to reports by Jewish "eye witnesses" Sobibor had so many bodies beneath it that blood regularly spurted out of the ground in geysers, coming down like a bloody fountain. According to scientific evidence, the area has never been dug up, let alone any bodies buried in the area.

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Israeli and Polish archeologists who investigated the Sobibor site found no physical/archeological evidence to prove the Sobibor “gas chambers” existed, or that 250, 000 people were murdered there. To date, archeological science cannot determine the site of the “gas chambers” or even if they existed. The reader is strongly encouraged to read the forensic study to see that this is indeed the case.10 For sure, these forensic scientists (who are firm believers in the traditional Holocaust extermination story) find it difficult to imagine how 250, 000 could have been murdered there.11 This allegation was first made by the Central Commission for Investigation of German Crimes in Poland in 1946-1947.12

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Re: Demjanjuk convicted over Nazi camp deaths
« Reply #4 on: 13 May 2011 at 16:30 »
I can't believe this is STILL going on. If someone has a hard time believing the utter indecency of the jews, here's the story for them. What are you going to gain tormenting a 91 year old man who may not even live to see his next "court date"?? Alright then hand over the 200 israeli war criminals identified by the ICC as being instrumental in the deaths of Palestinian CIVILIANS in the Gaza War! Let's be fair, right? Oh, but of course xtians pick and choose just like their "elder brothers in the faith".
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