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Title: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Axelsson on Sun 22 Feb 2009
I was just wondering, Creativity has been around for a while now but why hasn't it expanded as much as Blood & honor has etc.

Is it a lack of propoganda or just that people still want to be in a organization where people believe in a "Pie in the sky".
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: ScottHarrison on Sun 22 Feb 2009
There are many reasons.

Creativity has always been a target of law suits, often resulting in property being lost, or trademarks being taken or in the worst cases in Creators being imprisoned. Creativity has also been a target for the lower elements of our race, people who have used Creativity as tool to serve their own personal agenda. Creativity is also an idea that stands outside of the norm, it is anti-Christian, it is not a political party and it is not designed for a specific group of people, whereas Blood & Honour is mostly for Skinheads. Creativity offers something never before available to the White race and in my opinion, the majority of Whites are not ready for it.

However, Creators will continue to march on regardless of the opposition and the obstacles. Creativity will be organised and productive, in order to serve the interests of the White race!
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Rev.WillWilliams on Sun 22 Feb 2009
Quote from: WeißerWolf on Sun 22 Feb 2009
I was just wondering, Creativity has been around for a while now but why hasn't it expanded as much as Blood & honor has etc.

Is it a lack of propoganda or just that people still want to be in a organization where people believe in a "Pie in the sky".


This is an important discussion. The answer Br. Scott provided is right. Look at my signature. Pierce and Klassen both understood the concept of a core revolutionary vanguard. Ours is not to appeal to mass man with a message they will find respectable and meets with mob approval. Ours is to hold the hard line and build our movement around those uncompromising few who agree with us. They all must come our way eventually, or at least, those who want to live in our White World...as opposed to their Obamanation.

No weak links in the Creativity cadre. Quality over "hugeness."
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Axelsson on Sun 22 Feb 2009
Tnkas for the answers.

But I think another problem is that most people want to belive they are going somewhere when they die.
Wether it be heaven or valhalla.
I don't believe in either of those but some people still do.
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Rev.Cambeul on Sun 22 Feb 2009
Quote from: White Will on Sun 22 Feb 2009
What's the WP Movement?  ??? I think I read something about that from the Anti-Defamation League of Bad Breath. Who cares what those Jewboys have to say.

The White Pride/Power social construct invented by our enemies so we appear as a monolithic bogeyman ready to leap out from underneath beds and eat the children.

If there really was a "Movement," we wouldn't have to put up with the innumerable Weird Harolds out there defaming everything not part of their surrealistic world.

@Cailen.
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Rev.WillWilliams on Mon 23 Feb 2009
Quote from: WeißerWolf on Sun 22 Feb 2009
Tnkas for the answers.

But I think another problem is that most people want to belive they are going somewhere when they die.
Wether it be heaven or valhalla.
I don't believe in either of those but some people still do.

No Creator believes in heaven, or if he says he does, he should be sent packing to spread his version of Jewish Gospel among deluded Xians. They're poison to Creativity-building. But wish the Odinists, Wotanists, Asatru, etc. well because for the most part they live White lives and are not hostile. They rebuke Christinsanity, celebrate Nature, and make decent comrades by keeping us in touch with our pre-Xian European religious character. Who we were is important in understanding who we are today.

Unfortunately, Odin ain't coming back to pull our chestnuts out of the fire anymore than the Pale Jew is...another no-show!  :o

Creators keep their feet planted firmly on Nature's ground, not in the clouds.
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Sinn on Mon 23 Feb 2009
Quote from: White Will on Mon 23 Feb 2009
No Creator believes in heaven, or if he says he does, he should be sent packing to spread his version of Jewish Gospel among deluded Xians. They're poison to Creativity-building. But wish the Odinists, Wotanists, Asatru, etc. well because for the most part they live White lives and are not hostile. They rebuke Christinsanity, celebrate Nature, and make decent comrades by keeping us in touch with our pre-Xian European religious character. Who we were is important in understanding who we are today.

Unfortunately, Odin ain't coming back to pull our chestnuts out of the fire anymore than the Pale Jew is...another no-show!  :o

Creators keep their feet planted firmly on Nature's ground, not in the clouds.

Your right Will. I respect any decent White Man who follows a traditional White European Religion more than I respect a x-tian. Real Odinists, Heathens, Pagans, Wotanists (except Lloyd) and others for the most part are good people and the ones that are informed about Creativity understand that its preachings are in the same place as their own, and are therefore friendly to our cause. Therefore they have my friendship too. However true Creators come first in my books.

As far as the x-tians are concerned, I only have this to say: just as a wigger is a wannabe nigger, a christian is a wannabe jew. Both groups should be treated as such. (http://www.gorandavidovic.com/forum/images/smilies/punch-2.gif)
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Grimm on Fri 06 Mar 2009
You prepare the soil, pick the right spot, then plant the Chinese Bamboo Tree. You water it and wait. But you wait an entire year and nothing appears. No bud, no twig, nothing. So you keep watering and protecting the area and taking care of the future plant, and you wait some more. You wait another year and nothing still happens. Okay, you are a persistent person not prone to giving up, so you keep on watering. You water, check the soil, start talking to the ground, maybe even click your heels in some kind of growing dance you read about in the National Geographic. Another year passes and still no sign of growth.

It has been three years. Should you give up? Someone told you that it might take a while to really see the fruits of your efforts, so you keep on keeping on. More water, more talk, more dancing. The neighbors are wondering. And another year passes. No tree.

You now make a decision. If there is no tree on this date one year from now you will stop watering. Period. So you begin year number five with the same passion as day number one. You water, you wait. You keep watering and keep waiting. You water some more and then, could it be? Is it really? Yep, there it is, something sticking out of the dirt. You come back the next day and WOW it has really grown! In fact you come back each day for about six weeks and finally the Chinese Bamboo tree stops growing—but it is over 80 feet tall! Yes, 80 feet in six weeks! Well, not really. It is 80 feet in five years.  For those five years the chinese bamboo was developing a root structure capable of supporting an 80/90 foot plant and securing it's foundation. 

The point is simple. If you had given up for even the shortest period of time, there would be no tree. It took almost impossible persistence. The Chinese Bamboo tree is there for one reason and one reason only—because you never gave up on it.

It took us six thousand years to decide to plant this seed.. Here we are, 36 AC growing something unique, something organic. This isn't some cross pollinated hybrid like mormonism. I think it's doing good for what it is, but every plant has to either adapt or die in it's surrounding... and apparently we are going up against a religious version of the Evergreen... and just like thse wonderful christmas trees we all remember, evergreen trees make the soil around it acidic so it is the only one that can survive in that environment and it doesn't have to compete for competition.


Exerp: "But watch out where you plant it, evergreen trees will kill any non-evergreen tree close to it by making the soil acidic and much more suitable for the type of evergreen tree that you plant."

Source: http://www.evergreen-tree.info/typesof.php


Note: cucumbers love acidic soil and lime will sweeten it





Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Rev.WillWilliams on Fri 06 Mar 2009
Great analogy on the importance of patience, GF.

People generally do not get involved in radical politics until they have felt the sting personally, until they are made to feel so uncomfortable that they finally say, "ENOUGH!," and start looking around for others with pitchforks that they can join with. We are now fast approaching that time when folks are being made to feel very uncomfortable, their retirement accounts cut in half, their security threatened.

Example, this angry fellow:
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WHAT IF????"
1)We let the banks that gave too many bad loans fail?
Well, the stupid motherfuckers who ran the bad banks would be fired, the customers would get their money from the FDIC and good banks that didn't make stupid loans
would be rewarded with new customers from the bad banks.

2)We let the auto manufacturers like GM and Chrysler fail?
Well, people that had even a little bit of money could get a hell of a deal on a new car sold at auction by a bank.  The laid off workers and execs would be on unemployment for 6 months, costing the taxpayer much less than they do now.
People like me, with gm bonds, would be fucked, but we should have known to get out a long time ago.  the remaining car manufacturers would hire the best gm and Chrysler empoyees and gain a bigger market share.

3)We sold the bad loans at a drasticly reduced rate?
Well china and India, etc. would sell our dollars driving down their value and making it once again cheaper to manufacture US goods in the US.  The fucking Chinese, who are too stupid to do anything but copy american Technology, would lose their plants, their money wouldn't be worth a shit, their people would starve like God intended.  The USA would soon be undisputed heavyweight champ of manufacturing again.  I would once again see the label "made in USA" if I ventured into Walmart.  Unemployment would end.

Why can't the damned government just leave things alone?

As for my GM bonds, instead of giving me 13 cents on the dollar, the likely outcome, why don't they redeem my bonds for a) common stock or preferred b) a $20,000 credit on any new GM car at any GM new car dealership.?  It's not like they are selling this stuff.  it's just sheet metal that they have to maintain. 13 cents on the dollar may just piss me off enough to hunt down Rick Wagoner ($8 Million in comp. last year) and pistol whip him until he either dies of coughs up my $20,000.
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He ain't seen nothing yet.
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Rev.Shaun on Sat 25 Sep 2010
I hate the word "movement", it always make me think of some limp wristed French idiot student , with a smoke in a long holder going on about " the revolution of the masses" so he can impress the girl and get his pecker wet. Creativity is Not a "movement", it is the first warning of a tidal wave of white racial awakening, that will sweep away the old order, and restore our children's birth-rite....The Entire Planet!!!
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: ShaunW on Sat 23 Apr 2011
I believe that the creativity alliance needs to be advertised more, I found this site from my father and I believe it is great, but I would never have found it otherwise
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: RalphViola on Sat 10 Sep 2011
I can remember when Creativity was "huge" before Matt Hales BS imprisonment. Shortly after that membership did drop. Being in the movement I can tell you that many of white nationalists dislike Creators as much or more than Jews ....why? Because a Creators do not believe in heaven. I've heard Ben Klassen say Creators are not atheist so that is when these folks wanna know what a Creator is. But instead of reading and learning, they would rather just maintain their dislike of Creators.
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Rev.Cambeul on Sun 11 Sep 2011
Creativity is larger than people think and bigger than you will ever see on the internet or in the papers - never forget that. One constant concern of a few web-based vocal losers is that they think we do everything on the internet. Since the majority of our Members and Supporters do not interact via the net, their concerns are not even open to discussion.

Speaking of the web, there are many who claim as part of their internet persona to be Creators that are not. They are a hindrance to Creativity as they change names at the drop of a hat sometimes pretending to be several people at any moment. One week they might claim to be with the Alliance, the next they claim to be with another group that has formed for a totally different purpose to ours and become our arch enemy, and the next week .... Sometimes we have absolutely no idea who or what these people are, but more often than not we know exactly who and what they are. In the old days they were guaranteed to be reds; today however, they are most likely to be a psychopathic form of "White Nationalist" that is afraid to take the fight to the Jew and the Nigger, and instead attacks those with whom he is most familiar - the White Racialist.

Then there are those that have their own small groups, and if it wasn't for the internet, they would not exist at all. They take what they can from people like us and use the internet as their basis of attack against us - against the Alliance. It is their main method of recruiting and places like Stormfront.org gladly supply the opportunity for these freaks of nature to have their moment in the sun. By the same token, they accuse us of doing what they are doing. i.e. They publicly denounce you in public for arguing in public while they demand that you answer their accusations in public. If you don't present your case, you lose. If you do present a case, you lose. Any rational person sees straight through them, but they are always able to recruit a few naive but twisted individuals who think it's tough to argue on the internet. Meanwhile the rational people we actually want end up avoiding Creativity for the putrid carcase that the argument itself proves it (to them at least) has become. If we do recruit anyone at all out of those internet bitching sessions that are so loved by our enemies, it is always an old Creator who is sitting on the sidelines wondering whom to join. Or as is often the case, he is not alone and has another ten or more brothers with him. But the point is, it does not attract anyone new to Creativity ... not anyone worth keeping anyway.

Which also brings us to how Creativity appears to the general public: If you judge solely by police reports and the media, Creativity is the realm of criminal thugs - they might be White but they are no different to any Nigger crack gang. If you judge solely by academia, and political rants from the JOG, Creativity is the realm of the most virulent cult of anti-Semites on the face of this Earth. The former is another style of Creativity adopted by what really are "White Trash" and the latter is the Alliance and the few remaining unaligned Creators. Still, no matter how much we avoid the criminality of others, our own activist methods of writing letters to Senators, openly speaking about Jewish and other non-White Supremacists and flier distribution in key locations reaffirms the Jewish/JOG/Legal/Academic stance that we are extremists that must be avoided at all costs. People in general are not extremists and reject extremist views whenever possible. So we are left with the problem of making sure that we do not fit the thug view of Creativity while continuing our primary activism AND above all, making sure that average Tom, Dick and Sally learns that we are the average Tom, Dick and Sally. We are not nutty extremists looking to replace Adolf as the new Dictator and gas the Jews as is so often claimed. We are just ordinary folk, with a valid, logic and nature based religion with as much emphasis on race as every other religion except perhaps for the bulk of Christianity.

And so we continue to recruit, to build our infrastructure behind the scenes, and for the time being we do as we must and put up with the unwanted labels. It is our task to remove the low-lifes from Creativity and thereby remove two thirds of our problems, and promote Creativity as the respected, community based White Man's Religion it should be. Only then will Creativity be "huge" and we can move on and win this Racial Holy War.

RaHoWa!

Pontifex Cambeul.
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: RalphViola on Sun 11 Sep 2011
Perfectly put Pontifex. I'm eager to continue my education as a Church Member with the CA.
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Mirko on Sat 01 Sep 2012
So, its not look like that, the C. Alliance is small group of people who likeof that ideology ? :))  Its huge ;] But on internet, is not a much renown...  Maybe im wrong.
I wondering if the members of C. Alliance sir in house and only close on their " own world " and not to argue people about truth :) In Poland its difficult activism because in here is another culture, now most of people impressed music of coloured artist. Here is new fashion from west ( i mean USA ) and people dont meet bad black people, but good , nice and helpfull ;/
So here its difficult to argue people.

Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: StephenMasten (Prison) on Sun 02 Sep 2012
Well, um, Whites here in the States may like the nigger music from Motown, but we also are well aware that niggers will ruin neighborhoods and communities.

My thread on Detroit at VNN should be an eye opener for anyone in your country who entertains the idea that niggers can be civilized.

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=137249 (http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=137249)
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: JamieW on Sun 02 Sep 2012
the nigger is a poison that needs stopping..make no doubt..my child is no longer alowed to play sport as i made my view loud and clear about niggers,we wake up everyday to wonder if we have been broken into or not..only good nigger is a dead nigger..creativity will be huge when white people wake up and realise we are the most endagered creature on earth
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Mirko on Sun 02 Sep 2012
Quote from: Br.JamieW on Sun 02 Sep 2012the nigger is a poison that needs stopping..make no doubt..

But when everybody see like that : Terry Crews Old Spice Muscle Music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ15vCGuvH0#ws)

on tv, nobody think that they are wrong and enemies ;/  It's difficult thing to convince people to our rights. But i know negros are on lowest position in evolution but negro like that from upper link, he doesn't seem to be bad and dangerous :))  What you think and opinion about that :)
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Albert on Wed 19 Dec 2012
I think there is  a lot of mis-perception. The Creativity Religion is there, it is just that many are not actively doing anything- or working on other projects. All the skinheads I knew from the 80s and 90s are now raising their families.
There also Reverends no one has even heard of like Reverend Walter Carr in England who distributed over 5000 copies of Natures Eternal Religion in the 1980s alone. Creativity is largely underground in most of the world and in many ways this protects it just as the early Christians had to keep a low profile.
Those seeds are out there on countless bookshelves. The Creator mindset is out there also and influences things in a way we cannot be aware of.
People have to realise things are not what they seem. Just as Ian Stewart was not the brains behind "scewdriver"/ blood and honor etc etc


Then there is the phony war on terror that has scared many people away from radical anti-establishment thought.


Then there is deliberate CIA subversion of Creativity.


CIA Simple Sabotage Manual (http://www.scribd.com/doc/3316541/CIA-Simple-Sabotage-Manual#)




The paragraph d, quickly explaining how a group can be quickly be subverted by a spy creating a bad attitude, feeling within the group (that reminds me of something)


On page 28 on "interfering with organisations" we see everything that should make us suspicious of a group.


"haggling over meanings" ,"being pleasant to the inefficient and critical of the efficient", "being irritable and quarrelsome", "reporting people unjustly", "rewarding the incompetent and punish the efficient" etc etc




I believe now though that evidence is appearing of false leadership. Even cursory bit of wisdom should tell us not to trust someone the state authorities have leverage over.



Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Rev.Cambeul on Wed 19 Dec 2012
A perfect summary Reverend Albert. Although each item you mentioned has been said before, it has never been put together in one succinct argument. While there are other mitigating factors, you have basically defined the root cause of why Creativity isn't huge ... or why Creativity doesn't appear to be as "huge" as it actually is.

@Cailen.
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: VanDamme on Wed 16 Jan 2013
Another thought is that I keep encountering people driven out from Creativity. Reverends Melody and Jason la Rue, Guy Lombardi etc for example. This is just wrong. No person cannot be expelled from any organisation let alone a Religion without due process. Basic Laws and common sense procedure apply to anything from amateur dramatic society's to fishing clubs or employment and at least allow any decision to be challenged with regards to discipline.


In any employment you have the first step of a verbal warning which can be appealed. The second step is a written warning which can be appealed, the third step is a final written warning which again can be appealed.
Even such a notable historical figure as Napoleon Bonaparte was arrested by the french Revolutionary commitee for public safety, under penalty of death he was questioned and then exonerated.
A loose Religion organisation like Creativity that has no teeth cannot discipline nor expel anyone and anyone treated so is justly able to go off and form their own Creativity group.
Its not an ideal situation and there should really be just one group but ultimately the true church will just be the biggest that evolves organically.
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Rev.Cambeul on Thu 17 Jan 2013
Yes, a lot of first era Church Members with Founder Ben Klassen were expelled by the second era Church because of power trips, egomania and sheer bastardry. Other first era Creators abandoned Creativity when they saw the writing on the wall, while still others fought on, attempting to rein in the then current PM. They failed, but their final attempt to put Creativity back on the right track is one of the many reasons we have the Creativity Alliance (incorporating the Church of Creativity) as it is today. The second era of Creativity was one of endless denunciations that led to an irreparable breach in both the Brotherhood and the Creed. That is why we respect the choices of older (and newer) Creators to either join our Church or remain Independent.

People who annoy us but do no physical harm to either Creativity or Creator: We just turn our backs on those types and wait for them to either disappear or wake up and learn. Usually they are just loud mouths. Sometimes they do wake up to themselves and join us, or at the very least accept us as brothers while remaining as Independent Creators themselves; but most of the time they are intellectually deficient in some manner - bipolar and sociopaths for the most part, although some psychopaths make the rejected list - and live for the thrill of playing out their petty machinations. While the second type has existed since the beginning of time, in Creativity they were more a product of the second era Church. As we put that past behind us, so we bury the sociopaths and psychopaths of that era.

In this the third era - our era of Creativity, we give everyone a second chance. The only ones that do not get a second chance are those that show themselves through their actions that they are intellectually deficient, or commit crimes that grate against the very moral fibre of our glorious White Racial Religion, Creativity. And then, the position our Church takes regarding these individuals is still a decision for the Guardians of the Faith Committee to make; but it is THEIRS to make to protect our Church and our Creed.

To be blunt: No one man has the right to decide the future of any individual within or even remotely connected to our Church, or indeed, the future of our Church itself. Creativity is a Religious Creed, and our Church is the leading light of that Creed. And just as no one man owns our Church, we have to accept that no one Church owns that Creed. And again, that is why we respect the choices of our brothers and sisters who follow the Creed and keep the Faith, but choose, for whatever reasons, not to join our Church. It is also why our Guardians of the Faith Committee accept and respect the input of Independent Creators when it comes to matters such as Excommunication from our Creed.

And I say that as Pontifex Maximus and Chairman of the Guardians of the Faith Committee of the Creativity Alliance incorporating the Church of Creativity.

@Cailen.
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Uncle88 on Thu 05 Feb 2015
where is my hope for the white race is when i see white men and white women who have never pick up non white ways of life and heve ever stay honnest even with the jews pushing them to do so , like living for money and power only in their life time
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Rev.Cambeul on Fri 06 Feb 2015
From a Brother on Twitter
QuoteWhy does our religion not have the success it deserves? Was it our mistake?

It was certainly our mistake to not impose member quality control at an earlier stage.

@Cailen.
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: W.Anthony on Mon 27 Apr 2015
Two main reasons:
One, the Jews and their Mud allies work hard to discredit Creativity or so called "racists" at every chance they get, be it through the media, the law or in fact illegal means.
Two, I feel our current members are not doing all they can to promote Creativity, rarely do I see pamphlets or what not from our church in the news. I am guilty of this sin myself, and I hope to correct that this coming summer once I'm on summer break.
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Sinn on Mon 27 Apr 2015
Hey Joseph. Hope you are well. I know exactly what you mean. It is a frustration all true Creators feel when Creativity isn't 'spreading like wildfire'. However, are you familiar with the publicity our activists got in the media in England recently? Check out the links HERE (https://creativityalliance.com/forum/index.php/topic,8379.0.html), HERE (https://creativityalliance.com/forum/index.php/topic,8395.0.html), and HERE (https://creativityalliance.com/forum/index.php/topic,8425.0.html). They've been hard at work. :)

If you are determined to promote Creativity this summer, we have flyer (http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5391530.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Church-of-Creativity.jpg) and sticker designs that you can have printed up easily enough. I am aware that you are not financially well off at the moment, so I would recommend getting our latest 'Proud to be White' or 'White Genocide' design made into stickers. You can find them HERE (https://creativityalliance.com/forum/gallery/1/935-090315211252-0.jpeg) and HERE (https://creativityalliance.com/forum/gallery/1/935-090315211216-0.jpeg). 

We look forward to seeing the fruits of your labours.

(http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5391530.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Church-of-Creativity.jpg)
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Br.IanVonTurpie on Mon 27 Apr 2015
Why isn't it huge?

:- Materialism, Beer, Football,Cars, Nightclubs, having $ in their pockets, High standards of living and good economic climates.

You took all those things off white people and you'd probably see some interest.
Title: Re: Why isn't Creativity huge?
Post by: Rev.Cambeul on Mon 27 Apr 2015
Quote from: josephdamsell on Mon 27 Apr 2015Two, I feel our current members are not doing all they can to promote Creativity, rarely do I see pamphlets or what not from our church in the news. I am guilty of this sin myself, and I hope to correct that this coming summer once I'm on summer break.

If you are relying on flyering and a media response, don't! For example: The Australian media have us on a nation-wide ban list. The only time they refer to us is as TERRORISTS! Yes, the occasional article does sneak through, but it is typically so libellous that I have no option other than to make a complaint with the Australian Press Council, which further aggravates the mainstream media, because as so-called WHITE SUPREMACISTS we are supposed to follow the stereotype and glorify in the stink of whatever bullshit the media throw at us. We are a religious, White civil rights group that is 100% legal, and as such we have our rights and the media had better learn to bloody recognise them for their own sake.

@Cailen.