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A Creator's Journey into Salubrious Living
« on: 02 July 2009 at 14:09 »
The purposes of this thread are three-fold. Firstly, to document my experiences while making the switch from typical American diet to a fully Salubrious lifestyle as stated in WMB on pages 60 and 61.

What do we CREATORS understand by Salubrious Living?
Briefly we can spell it out in a few dozen sentences. 
1. We believe in living in accord with our human biological
heritage and in harmony with the Laws of Nature. 
2. This means eating fresh wholesome food in its natural state as
Nature has given it to us. It must be uncooked, unprocessed,
unpreserved and not tampered with in any other way. This further
means it must be organically grown, without the use of chemicals. 
3. Availing ourselves of a clean, wholesome environment — fresh,
unpolluted air; clean water; and the beneficial therapy from the
direct rays of the sun, every day. 
4. Some form of strenuous physical exercise several times a week. 
5. Rest and relaxation, both mental and physical, including sound
and efficient sleep. 
6. A form of recreation that is gratifying to our sense of
7. A sense of purpose, security and confidence to fuel our goals for
accomplishment and living the good life. We must have goals and
we must be motivated. 
8. Deliberate self-mastery of our life and our work. 
9. Gregarious living within the framework of our CREATIVE religion,
our White society and social intercourse with our White Racial Comrades.
We are social animals. 
10. Healthy expression of our sexual instincts. 
11. Living in a pleasing and healthful environment. 
12. We do not believe in the use of any "medicines", drugs or
chemicals as having any healing or therapeutic value. In fact, all
medicines, drugs, narcotics and chemicals are poisonous and toxic
to the human body. Furthermore, and for the same reason, we do
not believe in the use of vitamin, mineral, or enzyme supplements,
nor the use of artificial food coloring, preservatives, nor refined or
fragmented foods. 
13. We strongly believe in the practice of fasting as the best
means of ridding the body of accumulated poisons and toxins. We
are convinced that fasting is the most natural and effective means
the body has of overcoming all forms of disease, and restoring
itself back to health. 
14. Living in, and promoting a eugenic White society. This means
that we take particular care in not only assuring the perpetuation of
our precious White Race, but we take deliberate care that the
misfits are culled and that each generation advances to higher and
more salubrious levels, physically, aesthetically and mentally.

My second reason for starting this thread is to hopefully inspire others to become Salubrious with my results and experiences.

And lastly this will serve as a great motivator for myself. You all are some of the few people I still respect in this world and to shame myself in front of you all would be much worse than the cravings and other side-effects of breaking away from the diet I have followed my entire life.

Luckily, I am 21 years old so it is not as if I have spent a lifetime with these habits but breaking from them is very difficult all the same.

A couple of quick notes before I begin:
Please feel free to post suggestions, criticism, and anything else. This thread is not just for myself but I hope will help others.
I will be taking/keeping photographs of myself throughout this process for a sort of Before and After type of thing but I will be waiting to post those until a later date.

That's about it for my introduction post. Thanks for stopping by. Please check back as I will be attempting to update this at least bi-weekly with progress and results.

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RE: A Creator's Journey into Salubrious Living
« Reply #1 on: 02 July 2009 at 14:43 »
First, a bit of background and information about myself.

I am a very tall person. 6'11 to be exact. I'm not trying to brag I just hope this explains my weight and perhaps even some of the reasons I do certain exercises or eat a certain amount of food.

With that said I would also like to give a bit of my background. Obviously, due to my height, all throughout high school I was pushed to play basketball. For me, running around on a court with a bunch of niggers trying to throw a ball in a circle didn't really appeal to me. Never the less the need to "fit in" and be accepted was overwhelming. Because of this I joined the Freshman team my first year and had a decent time. Most of my teammates were white and by then I was already well aware of how niggers act. After that first year I just wasn't into it anymore and ended up quitting.

Fast-forwarding (My high-school experience is a WHOLE different story) a few years of sitting behind the computer playing games and my weight had gotten WAY out of control. I believe at this point I was about 360-370 with very little muscle mass. Somehow I was able to shake myself out of the funk I was in and I started to get back in shape. This went great and in about a year and 1/2 I was dropped down to 260-270. At this point I was still basically your typical American. I cared about sports teams, played a ton of computer games, ect. This is when I was first introduced Ron Paul's Presidential campaign and politics in general. Up until this point I had had zero interest in the subject. I won't bore you with the details of my awakening except to say that it was VERY VERY hard on me physically as well as emotionally. Waking up to the corruptness of government and the treasonous monetary system run by the Federal Reserve was a hell of a lot to take in and it had a tremendous effect on the progress I had made in weight loss.

This pretty much takes us to today. After finding Creativity and its holy books I felt like a great weight had been lifted off of my shoulders. All around me I was reading and learning about how horrible and hopeless things were and in Creativity I had stumbled upon actual solutions to the problems. The more I read the more I agreed with Klassen's overall message and theme. It just made sense to me. The past few months have been a huge effort on my part to get the first part of the basic creed of Creativity, a sound mind. I now feel I have a good grasp of the overall situation and how we must deal with it and from here the next step is clear. I must attain a sound body.

I chose my new avatar because I feel it fits in line with my current thinking. It is way past time to create myself.

With that introduction done I would like to lay out my goals. My current weight is somewhere between 340 and 350. By the end of July I would like to be somewhere near 300. By the end of Sept I am shooting for 250.

I would also like to point out some of my Pre-Salubrious symptoms, both mental and physical.

Easily overheated
Acne (This was much worse as a teen but I still have some issues)
Lethargic and/or Very low energy output
Inability to focus
Obviously a higher risk for diseases like diabetes and cancer.
Shortness of breath and low endurance (My current "mile" time is about 12 minutes)

The Plan (Week 1):
Weightlifting 3 days.
Cardio every day. Total miles for this first week will be 10.
A strict adherence to all natural and raw foods.

I will add more details regarding diet, workout plans, and mileage in my bi-weekly posts.

That's about it for now except for one quick question.
*If anyone has advice on to how I should include fasting please let me know. I haven't done as much reading on the subject as I would like but my current plan is to try a one-day a week fast.

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RE: A Creator's Journey into Salubrious Living
« Reply #2 on: 03 July 2009 at 01:53 »
Keep in mind that recent studies have shown that those who live on a purely vegan style diet - that is no eggs, milk and other animal by-products - have reduced bone density. And for someone your size, that's the last thing you want. I mention this because although Salubrious Living is not vegan or totally vegetarian, one can easily fall into the trap of living as a vegan, simply because they have difficulty obtaining milk in its natural state, refuse to eat raw eggs and other things that they don't realise or forget are perfectly healthy when eaten raw, such as beef (or camel, if that's what sets your mouth watering) jerky.

Use Salubrious Living as a basic guide and improve on it where required. It is one book that should be updated.

Good luck :)


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RE: A Creator's Journey into Salubrious Living
« Reply #3 on: 04 July 2009 at 15:36 »
Thank you for that reminder Rev. Cambeul.

I don't have time to type up a post as detailed and updated as I would like at the moment so for now I will just post an article I just got done reading entitled, "Can Vegetarians Build Muscle?". The article was written by Chris Shugart from

Here is a link to the entire article:

And here are some quotes:

Testosterone Muscle: John, what the heck are you doing, and why the heck are you doing it?

John Berardi: I've always been interested in the vegetarian thing, simply because of all the debate. I leaned toward the anti-vegetarian stance early in my career.

As an athlete and a weight lifter, I grew up around guys who liked to eat meat. It's beyond scientific question anymore. It's beyond any sort of reasonable debate. It's almost religious. Eat meat and you're good. Don't eat meat and you're an idiot.

The fascinating thing is that vegetarians and vegans take the exact same approach, just from the other side.

TM: So what is included? Is it all plant-based, or is there some animal food involved?

JB: I'm going to have three eggs in the morning and I'm including some honey, which I've recently learned is a no-no for vegans. I'm also taking a digestive enzyme supplement that contains about 15 milligrams of ox bile, so technically that's not vegan-compliant. The rest is completely vegan, so I guess that technically makes me a pretend lacto-ovo vegetarian.

TM: Is meat really bad to begin with? Are the vegetarians on to something, or are they just weird smelly dudes in hemp sneakers?

JB: I see good arguments on both sides. There's no question that eating the right kind of meat in the right amount fits into an overall healthy diet. You're getting high protein, high B vitamins, and important vitamins and minerals that you really can't get in any other way unless you supplement. Health and muscle-building are severely compromised if any of these nutrients are missing. That's the argument for meat.

But there's also a relationship between eating meat and cancer risks.

TM: I just heard the state of Texas scream.

JB: It's not just speculation. Over 100 published epidemiological studies show a link between eating meat and cancer.

TM: But what's the link? Can we buffer the risk?

JB: Well, in large part, the link exists because meat eaters tend to eat less of other healthy things. So their diets tend to be very high in calories, high in saturated fat, low in fiber, low in antioxidants, and low in vitamins and minerals.

The solution isn't to not eat meat. It's to balance out the meat with other healthy foods. 

TM: This reminds me of your "Defeating Dietary Displacement" articles. The problem is that meat eaters are displacing things like leafy greens.

JB: That's exactly it. But it's not the only concern.

There's some pretty compelling evidence that potentially carcinogenic [cancer-causing] compounds are introduced into our bodies when we eat cooked meat. The most problematic seem to be processed meats — lunch meat, canned meats, jerkies — and heavily grilled or charred meat.

But again, saying we shouldn't eat meat because of this is a mistake. These risks can be managed.

TM: So what should we do?

JB: Don't overcook your meat, especially on the grill. And avoid or at least limit processed meats.

Finally, you've got to increase your intake of fiber, fruits, and vegetables. You know, fiber has protective effects against the specific cancers meat is correlated with — stomach and colon. Eat more fiber and reduce your risk. Balance it out. 

TM: I've also heard that meat is saturated with hormones and antibiotics given to livestock to make them meatier and keep them from becoming deadstock. But this one seems easy to me — just get some grass-fed, free-range stuff and don't sweat it. Right?

JB: That's exactly right. If you eat mostly farm-raised meat, you're getting hormones, environmental pollutants, and antibiotics.

TM: Before we move on, I have to bring up Bill Pearl here. Bill won his fourth Mr. Universe title in 1971, when he was a 41-year-old lacto-ovo vegetarian. He said he'd been steroid-free for the past 10 years. Since he won his first three Mr. Universe titles as a meat-eater, what does it mean when he wins his last one without meat?

Bill Pearl

JB: Most bodybuilders who claim to be vegetarians became vegetarians after they built their muscle, or after they retired. So that's not exactly evidence that you can be a successful bodybuilder as a vegetarian. He's the only example in the history of pro bodybuilding of someone being successful on a vegetarian plan.

Now, I think you can actually build a pretty great body being a vegan. I don't think that's a problem. I think you can be a successful athlete as a vegan too. But I think being a very successful bodybuilder as a vegan is a tough challenge. You have to build a maximal amount of muscle mass, get shredded for the stage, and win at the highest level of competition. It's unlikely to happen.

As a vegan you have to go through carbs to get your protein. It's a challenge. You'd have to have the right genetics so you can tolerate carbs, and you'd have to do a lot of drugs.

As I am not looking to have a "bodybuilder" type body but a more practical and useful body like an athletes this is good news.

TM: One more question about veganism before we get back to your specific plan: Is there some net health effect of an all-vegan diet? Vegetarians claim there's a cleansing effect.

JB: I don't agree with anyone arguing that it's fundamentally healthier to be a vegan. Yes, a proper vegan diet is healthier than the typical North American diet. There is a cleansing effect — you'll be cleaner, but only if your diet was dirty to begin with. But that can happen when you start eating healthier, whether it's vegetarian or not.

Quick story: A girl I met told me she was doing "a cleanse." I thought it was some silly juice-drinking nonsense, and I was all set to mock her for it. Then she told me her "fast" was to eat nothing but chicken breasts, brown rice, and broccoli for a month. She said she was feeling great.

I was like, no *. You got rid of all the fast food, all the sugar, and all the junk that was making you feel so bad!

A lot of vegetarians experience this. They feel great because they got rid of dietary chemicals, processed food, sugar, caffeine, hormones, all that stuff. Then they eat more fiber, antioxidants, and micronutrients. And for the first time they're eating them in abundance. So it's not a magic vegetarian thing, it's an eating right thing.

Plus, they eat fewer total calories when they first switch to veganism. And that helps some people feel less weighed down and more energetic.

TM: Let's just break down your plant-based diet and talk macros. Where will your protein come from?

JB: I'm getting around 150 to 200 grams of protein per day on my plan. It's coming from eggs at breakfast, a small amount of soy milk during the day, vegan protein supplements that give me 60 grams a day, and two cups of beans per day, with whole-grain sprouted bread.

A couple of my snacks have seeds and nuts. I'm also supplementing with branched-chain amino acids. When I wake up in the morning I take around five grams of Biotest BCAAs, and during my workout I take about 14 grams of liquid amino acids.

Now, complete proteins are probably the best way to go, so the big question is, with adequate calories and an ample amount of protein, can you build muscle on a plant-based diet?

I think the answer is yes, but there hasn't been a study where you weight-train men, overfeed them, and see if they gain muscle on a vegan meal plan.

TM: You've just started your plan, but what lessons can the typical omnivorous bodybuilder learn from a vegetarian?

JB: I've learned some valuable lessons already. But let me tell you, you have to learn from propervegetarians and vegans, who actually eat the right foods, cover all their nutritional bases, and stay lean and healthy.

TM: For instance?

JB: Proper vegans find some really interesting ways to eat all their fruits, veggies, nuts, and seeds. Most omnivores don't, and maybe that's why they don't like these foods. They just don't know how to prepare them.

Vegan cookbooks are some of the best for showing you how to prepare vegetables in a tasty way.

The second thing is to eat more whole, unprocessed, natural foods. I don't know a lot of guys who seek out whole grains like quinoa. Proper vegans spend more time learning about where their food comes from — they have to. If you're interested, The Omnivore's Dilemma and In Defense of Food, by Michael Pollan, are a great place to start.

Carbs aren't so bad for your physique if they come from whole, unprocessed sources. But I don't think people really know what "whole" and "unprocessed" actually mean.

TM: It's not wheat bread?

JB: That's just regular white bread with a little caramel food coloring added in.

I'm talking about things like quinoa, which looks like an uninteresting bag of pellets, but it ends up tasting really fantastic if you learn what to do with it. Proper vegans know how to include these in their diets. And you aren't going to get fat from whole, high-fiber, low-glycemic-index, unprocessed grains like you can from other carbs.

I don't want to glamorize the vegan lifestyle at all because many vegans could learn a lot from omnivorous bodybuilders too, especially about protein intake. The learning can go both ways if both camps keep their minds open.

TM: Any revelations so far, besides "don't put your head under the sheets"?

JB: I don't think meat, whether it's in or out of your diet plan, is the most important factor in your success. It's all this other stuff, all the food selections.

Also, I don't see myself hating this at all, though when my month or two is over, there's no question I'll be going to eat a steak at The Keg. That's a forgone conclusion!

I'd say that most vegans probably could use meat in their diets, and most heavy meat eaters could stand to eat a little less. We'd be a healthier North America if we agreed to meet in the middle.

Some info about this guy, John Berardi. From his site, Precision Nutrition,

To this end, I completed Undergraduate studies at Lock Haven University (Health Science, Philosophy, and Psychology), Masters studies at Eastern Michigan University (Exercise Physiology), and Doctoral studies at the University of Western Ontario (Kinesiology; specialization in exercise and nutrient biochemistry).

That’s right - I went to school for a LONG time; about 10 years of post-secondary education.  And now, never far away from academia, I’m an assistant adjunct professor at the University of Texas at Austin.  In the classroom I’ve taught university courses in Strength Training, Exercise Science, Laboratory Techniques in Exercise Science, Nutrient Metabolism, Fitness and Wellness, and Exercise Nutrition.  And in the field, I’ve published 8 scientific abstract, 15 scientific papers and textbook chapters, and have presented at nearly 50 scientific, exercise, and nutrition related conferences.

I have to run for now but I'll be posting more later.


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RE: A Creator's Journey into Salubrious Living
« Reply #4 on: 05 July 2009 at 15:29 »
My diet has been a variety of fruits, veggies, and nuts. I generally eat until I am full or at least beginning to feel full.

Raw Walnuts
Raw Almonds
Raw Sunflower Seeds

Variety of Apples ("Organic" when they can be found)
Cantaloupe  (The average has about 100 total calories. This is a great fruit, tons of nutrition.)


That is basically all I have eaten for the past 3 days. So far things are going great. Plenty of energy and my headaches have already cleared up. Even something simple like reading can be a bit of a challenge (And I have been a huge reader my entire life) has become harder the past few years. It might just be my imagination at this point but I feel like my attention span has improved already. In the past, after most meals, I would experience a terrible stomach ache. Now that I look back this seemed to have been mostly after heavily meat meals. Past 3 days I have had nothing of the sort.

One problem that I have found with eating fresh and natural is that many foods are heavily sprayed with chemicals and grown with chemicals. This is one of my main reasons that I decided to invest in land where I can grow my own. All natural and organic. Hopefully by the middle of next year I will be eating my own home grown fruits and veggies.

I would also like to quickly mention, for any newer members out there, I have been heavily inspired by an old Creator's speech about Salubrious Living. He makes quite a case for it and it is well worth a listen for anyone that needs a bit of a kick in the ass regarding their nutrition. If it is still available, you will be able to find it on our main website.

Dr. Clay Hyght: Do Your Damn Cardio

"How do I get rid of this?" the person asks as he grabs the excess fat around his midsection. It's by far the most common question I get.

Unfortunately, the answer to that question also happens to be the most ignored advice I've ever offered: "Do more cardio."

Nothing aggravates me more than a person asking for my advice, but not following it. It makes me want to quote Gunnery Sergeant Hartman in Full Metal Jacket: "Were you born a fat, slimy, scumbag, puke piece o' *, Private Pyle, or did you have to work on it?"

If your diet is in check and your training program is squared away, then how in the hell else do you think you can burn more fat? Is the Fat Fairy going to wave her lipolysis wand and make you lean?

I know what some of you are about to say: "Won't I burn muscle?" To paraphrase Sgt. Hartman: "That's right. Don't make any f***ing effort. If God wanted you to be lean he would have miracled that fat off your ass, wouldn't he?"

The fact is, most people don't have what it takes to diet so hard and do so much cardio that they burn any muscle tissue at all, much less a measurable, noticeable amount. Let's review some basic exercise physiology:

The primary fuel for low-intensity exercise — aka steady-state cardio — is fat. The primary fuel for high-intensity exercise — weight training, intervals, and start-stop sports like basketball or hockey — is carbohydrate. Following high-intensity exercise, your body burns more fat than it otherwise would, thanks to EPOC — excess post-exercise oxygen consumption, more commonly referred to as the afterburn.

In neither circumstance is the protein stored in your muscles a significant fuel source.

Only under extreme deprivation does your body try to burn muscle to meet energy demands. And even then, there's an easy and painless way to give your body supplemental protein to use as energy: branched-chained amino acids. Tasty as it is, your body will gladly bypass your muscle tissue if there's an easier way to get what it needs.

But let's forget what I just said, and assume you're training so hard and dieting so seriously that your body has no choice but to burn some of your muscle for fuel. If I said you could get to 5% body fat, but at the cost of three ounces of muscle, wouldn't you take that tradeoff?

If not, then your problem may not be physiological, if you get my drift.

Two more excuses I hear more often than I'd like:

"But I already do cardio." Unless you're Dexter Jackson, you won't get ripped with 30 minutes of treadmill walking three times a week.

"Can't I just take fat burners?" Sure ... if you're already doing three hours a week of steady-state cardio, along with an hour of high-intensity intervals. Fat-burning supplements are not replacements for cardio.

My advice: If you're doing as much as you can with your diet and your strength training, and you still aren't as lean as you want to be, you need to stop looking for excuses and just do your damned cardio.

The site,, is a really great resource. If you can get past their constant advertising their own products they have some really great (And well researched) advice and articles.

Some more great advice (That I need to follow):

TC: Screw Overtraining

In all my years in the business, overtraining remains one of the main, excuses, given as to why Johnny won't grow.

Sure, Johnny's an overachiever. He's so dedicated to building a big bad-ass body, so singularly minded in his goal, that his body hasn't grown a pound in 5 years. Oh yeah, it's overtraining.

To quote Senator Clay Davis from The Wire, "Sheeeeeeeeee-it."

I'm going to tell you two truths; two truths for the price of one:

1. I ain't never made love to an Aborigine woman.
2. I ain't never seen anyone overtrain on squats or deadlifts.

There's nothing to say about the first truth, but the second one? It may need some elucidatin'.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll admit it's easy to overtrain on curls, or triceps extensions, or anterior shoulder raises, etc. It's easy to beat the * out of small muscles and it happens often because, frankly, it doesn't take much to work those muscles. A lot of guys can even carry on a conversation while doing them; maybe even complete Soduko puzzles at the same time.

But squats and deadlifts be different animals, Willis. They work the entire body. They hurt. They make the Tostitos you had for lunch want to see daylight again.

That's why people don't like them, that's why people don't do them. That's why virtually no one works hard enough. That's why nobody ever overtrains on squats and deadlifts. It's certainly possible, but it never happens.

I know what people a lot smarter than me say about the nervous system and not working to failure and heavens, put yer galooshes on before you go out in the rain, you silly boy, but the truth is, you gotta' hug the floor once in a while after a set.

You must tax the body to grow. If you do that every time you train, yeah, you may be overtraining. Otherwise, you're just jerking off, and half-heartedly at that.

More on conditioning and cardio:

Tim Henriques: Your Conditioning Blows

Strength athletes love to quote the research showing that cardio can decrease force production. I've used it myself to justify doing only 20 minutes of cardio a week so I could spend more time lifting heavy *. Others use it as an excuse to be fat and out of shape.

I think all of us need some element of conditioning in our training programs. We all need to include something that raises our heart rates and improves our overall endurance. Those activities not only increase our ability to train hard and train well, they also improve our health. And, as Clay Hyght noted earlier in this article, they help us reduce body fat.

That said, I'm no fan of jogging for strength athletes. I won't disagree with Clay about its usefulness to bodybuilders who're trying to achieve low-single-digit body fat — he's the expert, and if that's your goal, listen to him. But if you're more interested in strength performance, I think shorter and more intense cardio workouts will improve your conditioning without any risk of decreasing your strength or power.

Brisk walking, especially if you go up an incline and/or walk with a weighted backpack, is great for general conditioning. Do it a few times a week and you should notice significant improvements in your overall fitness level, along with some noticeable reductions in the size of your gut.

If steady-state cardio isn't your thing, you can try interval training. But I urge caution. Keep the workouts short — 20 to 30 minutes of combined work and rest intervals. Go short and really hard, rather than long and kind of hard.

Some of my favorite cardio workouts:

• One-mile sprint on a bike. If you can't go outside with a real bike, I like the Expresso Virtual Reality Bike, if you have access to one of those.

• 500-meter rows. Try 1 to 5 intervals on a rowing machine, with a one-minute rest in between.

• Five-meter sprints. Here's something you can do indoors, in your gym's aerobics studio. You need to go easy at first — you're at risk of pulling a muscle if you sprint full speed when you haven't done so in a while. Try for 15 to 20 reps with very short breaks in between. If you're outdoors and want to sprint longer distances, I'd keep the total distance of your sprints to 400 meters or less. So if you're sprinting 20 meters, your max would be 20 reps.

• Kettlebell swings. A guy at my gym does 3 sets of 30 reps with 100 pounds, with 30-second breaks in between each set. See if you can match him.

• StepMill. Try somewhat longer intervals — up to five minutes — with whatever time you need to recover in between. Keep your total workout to 30 minutes or less. For more pain, try it wearing a weighted vest.

• Ab-wheel wheelbarrow walks. Hold onto an ab wheel, have someone grab your legs, and then get pushed around. Weave through obstacles to make it harder. It's not the kind of thing you can or would even want to do in a crowded health club, but in the right circumstances, it's a lot of fun and a hellacious workout.

The classics like farmer's walks, sandbag carries, sled pulls, car pushes, tire flips, and sledgehammer work are always good ideas. You're only limited by your creativity.

Spend 30 to 120 minutes per week on your overall conditioning — or more, if you're also walking — and you'll feel better, look better, and have better overall stamina in your workouts and activities. You may or may not get stronger, but you sure don't have to worry about getting weaker.


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