The last time I saw and spoke to any skins was a polite greeting or two at an anti-Islam demonstration. Which they did not attend, but hung around at. The funny thing was, I got along better with their parents; but what do you expect from twats in gangs that get their cue from Nigger Gangsters? Gangs that Party like it's 19
88 because they are celebrating the END OF THE WHITE RACE!
Yeah, can you see why I hate Skinheads?
2012: Anyway, it's been ten years since I interacted with Skinheads in a familial way. They aren't our Brothers. The last time I was with them at one of their parties, they mistakenly threatened Creativity with an outlaw MC that they didn't know I had a personal connection with. And another time, they spread shite through their Skinhead world that I was a coward that hid, when I actually got along with everyone I met at their frigging ISD concert that I and other Creators were invited to.
@Br.IanVonTurpie was there and can vouch for me ... as if I need it.
Ten years before, I'd got involved with the Skinheads because the New Zealand Creators had pushed, and the same had happened. Skinheads do not like anyone they deem to be rivals. And so I'd cut them off. This time it was interstate, young Creators within Australia ... the mistake was the same.
And now it's been another ten years. Creativity does not accept Skinheads, so if you're a Skinhead, kindly FuckOff. Or better still, grow up, drop the bullshit, become a stand up White Man that doesn't need a subjective kiddy label. (We want experience, but we don't want your bullshit.) Then we'll LET you be a CREATOR.P.M. Joe Has the Same Deal in Prison: Skinheads in prison are typically drug dealers and rapists. Petty liqueur store thieves. Wiggas with Swastikas. P.M. Joe and his people treat them like the shite they are. ANY Creator can walk into a prison in the US and get protection, be left alone if that's what it takes, and he or she will be released in due course. Those Skinhead Wiggas with Swastikas, nobody gives a F.
23 Words - RAHOWA!
Consider that people vary greatly, particularly skins. Having been one all my life I have known some that fit the description you give and some much less appealing. I also know many who are nothing at all like that. I am sure that you, like any racialist, are misjudged by many. Indeed the average person would likely have just as negative a preconception of you as you have of all skinheads. I find it easier to explain in the average.
Some skinheads are no account drunks, some distain consuming any intoxicants. Some skinheads racist (like myself), some are nonracist, some are antiracist. By all the gods some are not even White (though I've never encountered such a one in the US, they do exist and have since the beginning)!
Whatever reasons you may have for not liking individuals from your past, the fact that they were skinheads is incidental. It is unfortunate that those were the skinheads that you knew. I can assure you with complete confidence that not all skinheads are like that.
@RaHoWarrior You are 100% correct. And I'm always the first to admit it. And then I can point out that decent skins I knew turned to shite in almost record time the moment they joined the skin gangs. The thing is we are CREATORS. That means the gangs consider us to be rivals - and that's the problem. The decent individuals within the gangs are inconsequential, considering that they never go against the majority arseholes that are their own.
As for individual skins, they are typically looking to join a skin outfit, which Creativity is not, and never shall it be again. And the reasons for that are unfortunately all too well documented stretching across the web from Stormfront to MSM, to Marxists and the ADL. Still, individual skins without connections to the gangs, we deal with as needed for us and for them.
For the record
A quote from 5 months ago from link to video on
@RaHoWarrior profile BitChute channel.
Quote from: RaHoWarrior"Wut u mean bak in da day homie? It gangsta 100% all day up in here nigga! Thug Life nigga!"
Maybe a joke? I don't know.
Comment from this video link:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/YVwHGXwzaXE0/
The White Pride scene in Australia is small. We have 25 million people spread out on a piece of land comparable to USA.
People go to the B&H annual show and there is one international skinhead club basically here behind it.
They are structured like a Biker club where there are 3 x tiers of membership.
- support crew
- prospect
- patched member
With this hierarchy comes a culture of :- "cock swinging", "Getting an edge against racialist outsiders", "earning patches to impress others" generally by doing little errands such as :- organising shows, picking up guests, cooking food, ordering decorations from vista print. Then you have to bow down to patched members as they are " the king cheese of the hen house". If you don't bow to their enourmous egos then they could get nasty in some way. (I have seen it when they get angry at their events).
This group is something perhaps 140 people in the country know about and primarily their role is making music and staging events. They do see other racialist orgs as rival gangs once they are affiliated in this one group. Rather than allies! They have meetings that are like a secret society and a "bash list" of people they dislike.
One bloke we know was friendly with members but asked the questions that were valid but they saw as disrespectful and they did something that was a "dog act" against him.
This club hierarchy and "king cheese of the hen house" culture is primarily what Rev C hates as it's worked against not just him but has affected other Racialists.
It's true that not all bad apples spoil the whole bunch.
That's like saying all skateboarders are punks that trash hand rails and benches in what they do, smoke pot and don't work. Yeah a lot are but then there are Olympic athletes that put their hearts into everything and win Olympic medals.
Quote from: Br.Art on Tue 25 Jan 2022Maybe a joke? I don't know.
It's a joke.
With Permission: From Personal Messages with
@Rev.CambeulQuote from: Br.Art on Tue 25 Jan 2022
Rev. Cambeul,
I wondered after reading your recent post on skinheads: if Brian Kozel was a "Hammerskin", a group you mentioned Creativity is not friendly with. Is that a Skinhead gang? And if so how is it that Brian Kozel served as a Creator also? I'm a bit confused on that one.
R!
Br. Art
Quote from: Rev.Cambeul on Wed 26 Jan 2022The short answer to that is, it was a different time. Skins had not become a problem yet for Creativity.
Creativity began as a religion rather than a group with rules and regulations. Lots of Skinheads within the gangs were part of the early Church. And then things changed.
The long answer: Creativity's founder, Ben Klassen, appointed Reverend Mark Wilson as the first PM to succeed him. However, Founder Klassen decided that PM Wilson was not doing the job well enough - it's documented in his autobiography - so he removed him from that title, and gave the title to Dr McCarty.
What few know is after Founder Klassen's death, Reverend Wilson and his Skinhead crew invited PM Dr McCarty to a meeting at a hotel in their state. PM Dr McCarty arrived and remained alone. Wilson and his skins were busted by the cops on the way there. Armed to the teeth, they had planned to murder the PM and take control of Creativity for Skinheads Only.
PM Dr McCarty soon formerly closed down Creativity as a business entity and quit as PM. That was the end of the Premier Church of the Creator.
Next, along came Matt Hale. Being a law student, Hale looked on the surface to be what Creativity needed, and so the remaining Klassen era Creators got together in a meeting to formalise the resurgence of Creativity, with Hale as PM. Hale, however, surrounded himself with Skinheads. Rejected former soldiers and former Klassen era leaders - including Skinheads - because he considered them to be personal rivals. Hale preferred incompetent squabbling rejects from the rest of the WP Movement, and set about playing one against the other, having B&H backed Creators fight the other faction of B&H - C18 backed Creators. Hale crowned the winners and discarded the losers. Hale arranged to have his Skinheads break into homes of Creators to take computers and other items. Any Creator that was found to be too competent, Hale had his Skinheads hound, threaten, abuse, denounce and bash. And then Hale set about taking over every Skinhead gang by claiming every Skinhead gang Leader had accepted him as their personal Reverend. Everything Hale did was about taking and retaining control, and his primary tool was the Skinhead.
After his arrest, Hale told me that he had a mighty Skinhead army ready to rise under his banner, and they were just waiting for him to get out ... tomorrow. I told Hale the truth: That the Skinhead gangs did not appreciate being used by him and had turned against Creators. His Skinheads within Creativity had all abandoned Creativity and joined the Skinhead gangs; with his Chosen People he called The Creativity Movement (https://creativitymovement.org/) having decided to make Creativity nothing more than a chapter of Combat 18. Nobody publicly supported him. Us Creators that were not Skinheads had formed our own Church organisation, and we intended to fight. We had all been ordered by Hale's Skinheads to abandon Creativity - to hand over our patches and flags to them and we'd be allowed to leave unscathed. Hale chose his Skinheads.
To avoid repeating everything that has been listed elsewhere, we beat them. It took more than a decade, but we persisted and we won. The heavies of Hale's Creativity Prison Skinhead Gang he attempted are in Protection with the Rats and Paedophiles inside the prison system. The last act of Hale's chosen, The Creativity Movement (https://creativitymovement.org/) was to hand patches to a mixed-race so-called racist biker gang, that had been ejected from Aryan Nations called SSMC. Now that we have finished with the Skinheads, they are the next group we will tackle. We will simply be asking that they cease to wear our patches. They will.
One other thing: The decent Skinheads that had opposed Hale or just did not want to associate with his chosen people were not of any help in recovering CREATIVITY FOR ALL OF THE WHITE RACE. Skinheads don't oppose other Skinheads. And those Skinheads that joined us from outside the movement were easily swayed to turn traitor and join the chosen, because it wasn't Creators that they wished to be, what they wished was to be Skinheads now and forever ... and so they were lost to Creativity forever.
As for the martyrdom of Brother Brian Kozel: Few Hammerskins know he even existed. When I informed Australian Hammerskins about Brother Kozel, they doubted even his existence. They could not understand how one of their own kind would be murdered by Wetbacks and they not know about it. Their reasoning is that if he was a Creator, he wasn't a Hammerskin, so they don't give a F. It's that simple.
Church Membership under Ben Klassen was as simple as buying a book and declaring yourself to be a Creator and a Reverend. At its most complex, you asked PM Klassen if you could be a Reverend, and basically submitted your resume. Under Hale, Church Membership became more formalised, however, Hale had his preferences, and if you met those preferences, or you were gullible and threw money at him, you were in.
By necessity today, we retained Hale's Membership system and built on it. We formalised all Church Recruitment with a Mandatory Minimum of 6 Months as Prospective Church Members. All Skinheads and those that come from groups that have opposed the Creativity Alliance must serve a Mandatory 12 Months as Prospects. No Skinhead has ever lasted the full 12 Months.
The Creativity Alliance incorporating your Church of Creativity does not recruit from the same pool as the Skinhead gangs. So there is no rivalry. And because of wrongly perceived rivalries on the behalf of the Skinhead gangs, for which we are well aware of the causes, we refuse to associate with the gangs.
It's a matter of pride that we are the only organisation dedicated to Creativity in existence today. Next year, 50AC/2023CE is our 20th Anniversary, and Creativity overall's 50th Anniversary. Creativity is once again for all the White Race, and we frankly don't give a damn for the Skinhead world.
Rev. Cambeul, P.M.E.
Church Administrator - Creativity Alliance
R! 23/23
Quote from: Br.IanVonTurpie on Tue 25 Jan 2022People go to the B&H annual show and there is one international skinhead club basically here behind it.
They are structured like a Biker club where there are 3 x tiers of membership.
- support crew
- prospect
- patched member
With this hierarchy comes a culture of :- "cock swinging", "Getting an edge against racialist outsiders", "earning patches to impress others" generally by doing little errands such as :- organising shows, picking up guests, cooking food, ordering decorations from vista print. Then you have to bow down to patched members as they are " the king cheese of the hen house". If you don't bow to their enourmous egos then they could get nasty in some way. (I have seen it when they get angry at their events).
We are similarly structured with:
- Church Supporters
- Church Prospects
- Church Members
Unlike the gangs, we do not humiliate our Prospects. Prospective Church Membership is a weeding out process. Some are not suited to us and leave of their own free will. Others are found lacking in dedication or are generally unsuitable to the self-discipline that goes with Church Membership. And the crazies are told to GTFO! Our Church Prospects are Creators in every aspect from Day One, and are encouraged to partake in Flyer Drops and other mundane duties of every White Racial Loyalist - our Prospects are encouraged to become genuine White Activists.
The mandatory Prospective Period is considered to be an adjustment period. The titles of Church Member and Church Prospect are not particularly important to dedicated Creators, and are more of a Legal Separation - because sometimes it's needed. It also gives the Prospect the opportunity to leave the Church if they so choose; Church Members are not permitted to leave without first seeking permission and justifying their departure. One either leaves the Church in Good Standing, or Bad Standing. You do not want the former.
We've also had the egomaniacs in Creativity - craving rank and power over others. We got rid of them. Egomaniacal
Personality Cults are of a culture that is not suited to a genuine Church of White Activists.
Quote from: Br.IanVonTurpie on Tue 25 Jan 2022One bloke we know was friendly with members but asked the questions that were valid but they saw as disrespectful and they did something that was a "dog act" against him.
Yes. That certainly happened to a friend of Creativity - a Church Supporter that considered the Skinhead gang in question to be his friends as much as he considered Creators to be his friends. Using MC terminology, he was a
hangaround of both Creativity and the Skinheads. As he was not suited to being a Creator, we left it at that. The Skinheads considered his years of friendship and refusal to join them an insult to their group.
He and other
hangarounds were warned what would happen to them. All of them said I was overreacting. The Skinheads are their friends ... that'll never happen. It happened.
Did we defend him? No.
He was not a Creator. It was his right to reject my
advice. Church Members had long before been
ordered to not associate with the Skinhead gangs. Any Creator caught associating with them would be out on their arse ... because even a single Church Member associating with the Skinhead gangs is enough to drag us into their backstabbing, rumour mongering world of infantile jealousy and petty machinations. As
@Br.IanVonTurpie called it,
Cockswinging.
I should thank the Skinheads for what they did to that fellow White Brother. Their deed proved my point.
I told you so.
Quote from: Br.IanVonTurpie on Tue 25 Jan 2022This club hierarchy and "king cheese of the hen house" culture is primarily what Rev C hates as it's worked against not just him but has affected other Racialists.
Yep, that describes it about as well as anything I or anybody could say.
These subculture's does not matter whether they are skins, punks, metalheads must pass when you are over 30. I think that Creator are more hard than them.
Average Creator must be family oriented with giving by himself maximum. We do not want culture of working class because we want to be more than it. Creator mean also job Creator who would be all of us when we become 50 with some experiences as workers. That was Lincoln's vision of USA without enslaving anyone.
All what we are needing are our White enclaves without having influence on other races and blocking their policy over us. Klassen was not White gangster. He was part of upper class, legislator and picture of person on what top a Creator must look like.
Job security and power is coming back to skilled blue collar workers. There is a demand for certain trades and in Australia you need a license to do some of them. This means Cheap coolie labour like Asians need to study to get the qualifications you have.
In the 1990's at school they told us to study computers. The problem was with the internet you could outsource office jobs to people in the third world and it'd come back via the web.
A safe job is a job that you provide a service people MUST pay for. There are no more too little manufacturing jobs in western nations now, forget that.
If you are a qualified trades person you'll find work. Our Universities are now just businesses that would rather take rich, Asian/ Indian students. A lot of the time they buy a former student's paper and cheat to get a qualification whilst they use that time to work and take money out of our economy to spend back home. If these are the next generation of Engineers and Medical professionals we are really stuffed! We need bright, local students! These shonks from the third word buy their way in and are going to be our overlords!
As for skinheads ... well a lot of kids now are either :- hipsters or hip hoppers - other subcultures are a minority. The youth aren't exposed to a White rock scene any more. On the TV and radio they either have left wing music or music made by non-Whites!
"Skinhead" was something their dad did in the 80's! We don't speak the kid's language any more. There are white power rap groups like "Mr Bond" but that isn't accessible to most kids. Even the blood and honour scene is only accessible to those in the know and those who meet representative who allow people to attend an annual show. You can't go to the pub and see racialist rock bands. The pubs hardly have musicians now! They have poker machines instead!