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Since there is no Russian section on this Creativity Alliance forum, this article about Jew and Russian emigres to New york is posted here.

My wife is Russian and her best friend from there, a medical doctor, just returned to her Mother Russia after a three-week visit with us. She went on an excursion to see sites of New York at the end of her trip, booked out of Brighton Beach. I warned her that it would not likely be a Russian agency out of BB, and, as it turned out for her, I was right. Natasha has since told us just how Jewish the experience was, and how disappointing for her. She hated New York and said it's a rude, Jewish city.

One accurate point from this Jewish article is that many Russian emigres -- non-Jew -- are, in fact, economic refugees of a sort since there are few opportunities for advancement in economically depressed Russia. Materialism is a problem for these Russian newcomers, but that can change as they assimilate. Russian nationalism is White and racist, and, unlike with U.S. White nationalists, strong.

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new_york/russian_spy_arrests_expose_raw_nerve?nocache=1#comment-1937 (http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/new_york/russian_spy_arrests_expose_raw_nerve?nocache=1#comment-1937)

Russian Spy Arrests Expose Raw Nerve

Russian Jews say case points to big changes in Brighton Beach with new wave of ex-Soviets.
Wednesday, July 14, 2010
Walter Ruby
Special To The Jewish Week

On the boardwalk in Brighton Beach last weekend, it was "From Russia With ... Loathing."

For members of the Russian Jewish community here, the recent tabloid-enhanced saga of the 10 alleged Russian spies arrested here in late June and flown to Moscow last week in a swap for four Russians charged with spying for the U.S., exposed a raw nerve.

In interviews with Russian-speakers strolling on the boardwalk and with prominent members of the Russian Jewish community here, what emerged is a portrait of a community deeply disturbed by the affair. But it is angered less by the revelations about a group of ineffectual gumshoes than by the perception that they themselves had managed to escape Russia to start new lives in America, only to find that Russia has followed them here.

Specifically, they connected the spies with a wave of emigration from the countries of the former Soviet Union that in recent years has been predominantly non-Jewish. And the new emigrants seemingly include many people who came here less for political or religious freedom than out of a desire to get ahead financially in various ways, not all of them savory — all of which has led to deep changes in the character of the Brighton Beach community.

"The whole story is very unpleasant for people like me," said Sophia Tonstonog, an 81-year-old retiree from Lvov in western Ukraine. "My husband and I fled the Soviet Union 20 years ago to escape anti-Semitism and now those who persecuted us are moving here after us. Why should all these non-Jewish Russians be allowed to come here? They have their own country, and as this spy story shows, letting them come here is not so good for America."

Olga, 51, a doctor of internal medicine and her husband Alexander, a 53-year-old programmer, who arrived together from Moscow in 1992, were equally blunt. "These disgusting spies have no connection with us yet besmirch the reputation of the entire community," said Olga, who like her husband asked that their last names not be used because of the sensitivity of the issue.

"What is more upsetting is that Brighton Beach, a neighborhood in which we loved living, is now filling up with non-Jewish Russians and Ukrainians."

Alexander added, "Everywhere you look in Brighton these days, you see Russian-speaking people wearing crosses or selling Russian Orthodox or Baptist books on the street. In short, this is no longer a Jewish neighborhood and won't be in the future either.

"Olga and I are now thinking about moving to a more Jewish place, like Great Neck."   

The sharp comments on the boardwalk — echoed by many others who asked that their names not be used — suggest that an ongoing process of de-Judaization of the New York Russian-speaking community is continuing apace. Jewish emigration from the FSU to New York since 2000 has dropped precipitously, while emigration by non-Jews has trended upward. (Unlike Jews, most non-Jewish former Soviets are not eligible to come here as refugees, but many have taken up residence as parolees, green card lottery winners, spouses of American citizens, and holders of work and student visas who have stayed on.)

In 2007, sociologist and demographer Sam Kliger, who heads the Research Institute of New Americans and is director of Russian Jewish Affairs at the American Jewish Committee, estimated that the percentage of the Russian-speaking community in the New York metropolitan area (estimated at about 750,000 people) that is Jewish had dropped from over 90 percent to around 65 percent over the preceding decade. And anecdotal evidence suggests that the percentage may have dropped even further in the years since.

The change has been especially jarring in heavily Russian-speaking Brighton Beach and surrounding communities, as many younger Russian Jews have moved out to more upscale locations, to be replaced by predominantly non-Jewish Russian speakers.

Writing in the weekly Russian Advertising last week, journalist Leah Moses, who has chronicled the new wave of immigrants, said, "The people who were arrested as spies seemed somehow representative of many people who have come in recent years primarily to improve their economic situation. ... One steals from someone else's bank account, another marries for money and another is a spy. Members of our community should think twice before ... getting involved with those who came from post-Soviet countries mainly to grab something for themselves."

In comments to The Jewish Week, Moses added, "This is not necessarily about Jews and non-Jews but about a materialistic mentality that pervades the third [post-2000] wave of Russian-speaking emigration. Still it is clear that a majority of third-wave arrivals are non-Jewish. They don't particularly love America, and are genuinely surprised when they find out our community is pro-American."

Mikhail Nemirovsky, editor of Forum, a Russian language pro-Israel weekly and director of Russian-speaking outreach at the Jewish Community Relations Council of Greater New York, said that the spy affair, "shows that regimes may fall and even the country may change names, but the KGB remains the KGB — even if it is now called FSB."

Of the spies themselves, Nemirovsky said, "These people are not from our community. No one knows them. When their real names were finally published in place of the American aliases they had previously been identified by, I breathed a sigh of relief and said, 'Thank God, none of them are Jewish.'"

Nemirovsky was asked about the fact that four years ago a number of leading Russian-American Jews played prominent roles in a Kremlin-inspired organization known as the Coordinating Council of Russian Compatriots in the U.S. Many of them eventually left the organization as then-President Vladimir Putin moved Russia in a more authoritarian and anti-American direction. "Being Russian compatriots is not for Jews," he said. "Yet there are many non-Jewish Russian-speakers around New York these days for whom Russia is their true motherland." 

Alec Brook-Krasny, the first Russian-speaking member of the New York State Assembly, who has served a heavily Russian-speaking south Brooklyn district, including Brighton Beach, since 2007, has a similar perspective. "The community doesn't like this spy story, which obviously hurts its image, though hopefully not for a long time. But, in reality, these people had nothing to do with the Russian Jewish community.

"We are a Jewish community that has no loyalty to Russia — either to the Soviet regime many of us fled or the Russian government of today."

Recalling that he himself was involved in conversations with a prominent Russian diplomat in the early 2000s about strengthening Russian-American cooperation in the war against terrorism, Brook-Krasny said, "Back then, I was under the impression that our community could play a role in helping to bring the two countries closer together. Nowadays I am more leery.

Igor Boboshkin, an ethnic Russian publisher and businessman based in Staten Island, who serves as president of the Russian-American Coordinating Council of Russian Compatriots, seemed less inclined than his Russian-Jewish counterparts to concede that the 10 arrested on espionage charges here and deported to Russia were necessarily guilty of anything.

"In fact, we don't know if they were spies or not. ... There is no solid evidence that they gave information to Russian intelligence. This is a scandal organized by the media and indeed after the swap, it appears that relations between U.S. and Russia are good. Given all of that I don't think there will be any negative impact on our organization."

Noting that the Compatriots group is an umbrella body for a network of grass-roots Russian-language schools, kindergartens, cultural centers and publications in cities across the U.S., Boboshkin disputed the notion that Russian Jews have dropped away in recent years. "I would say about 30 percent of the people on our coordinating committee are Jewish. But we are a non-sectarian organization and no mention is made of a person's nationality or religion."

Back on the boardwalk, Natalia Egorova, a 40ish freelance makeup artist from Moscow, who moved to Brooklyn by way of Switzerland 10 years ago, stood out among the largely elderly Russian-Jewish crowd because of her striking blonde mane and large cross around her neck. She said that the spy scandal has so far had minimal effect on either her personal or professional life because, "The people I deal with are too sophisticated to cast aspersions on all Russians." She added, "I love living in Brighton Beach, both for the sea and the cosmopolitan atmosphere."
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All of the old communist country's are full of white people needing the church its not just Russia.
I think part of the problem with not having members there comes from the American hate for there old enemy. This is politics this should not be our problem its there race and love for it we need to see and make the most of.

Anyone who knows Russian could begin translating immediately.  With enough converts the Russians could take over converting their own.  Missionary efforts could be as simple as learning rudimentary Russian and going to Moscow to hand out Holy Books- no easy task but certainly worth it.

sure it is

Thanks to Reverend Albert.

When we get missionaries to Russia, I imagine that Creators past will respond.  They haven't lost their will- just their voice.

Excellent.   :)  Now how are we getting them to Russia en masse?  Do we have any contacts there?

how abt Belorussia?......used to be called "White Russia"....or.....European Russia?

facts & stats....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus)
http://www.belarus.by/en/ (http://www.belarus.by/en/) ....... (less than 30000 kikez out of a total ppltn of almost 10-mlln!  ;D )

Belorussian kids......
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=belarus+children&f=hp (http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=belarus+children&f=hp)

"check out" this Belorussian 2008 Xmas paegant......(Orthodox Xmas...they have it in Jnry or sumthin', i think, eh?!?)

Lukashenko the great leader of the children. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3sLfyDOnpY#)


damn!....it's so "white" it actually 'hurts' yr eyes to look at it.....a bloke needs his 'sunnies' !  8)


*only three(3) draw-backs that i can see......

i/there's still a heavy residual presence of commies!  :-\

ii/there's no access to the ocean/sea-ports.....Belorussia is a land-locked country!  :-X

iii/it's too fkn cold! (in winter, that is.....which is prblby abt ¾ of the year!) :(


cheers!

(Jimbo)

when i read things like its still full of commies. I cant help but think so what. We should not worry about politics if white and willing to fight for there race. Then politics should not matter. Like i said in other posts. This is is mainly a American thing all whites no matter what there politics or country need to come together. I spent lots of years looking over the Berlin wall training to fight the commies. But now i live in a country full of commies. It is only a name. The people had it shit under them but old thoughts and ways die hard. We need to forget the politics and propergander from both sides and unite.

Creativity, I believe, can undermine the very foundations of communism by identifying it's source and consequences.

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=127239 (http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=127239)

was gunna start a new "thread" on this....but...thought i'd just "tack" it on to this one.....

i'd never heard of this "Jeff Hall" bloke before....but....that's not surprising because i know very little abt the NSM in the US!

but....what it does prove is that it is becoming increasingly difficult for white people to raise a traditional family in the filthy, jew sh*te-house(s) that most Western nations have now become!

it rather begs the question of whether or not white racialists of all stripes should be first striving for the revolutionary establishment of a white home-land.....whether by a Turner Diaries-type scenario, a "North West Imperative" or settling in overwhelmingly white countries like Russia....or, even, Belorussia!

i say....that, as the situation now stands, we haven't got the time or the opportunities to stuff around "proslyetising".....we either go "FULL ON" for a white home-land via some sort of revolutionary activity or we re-locate en masse to a country like Russia...or, Belorussia!

unless you want to do "a Randy Weaver", you can't shield yr kids from the all-pervasive mind fk of the jew.....they'll either end up like Yankee Jim Leshkevich's (http://www.jimbos-blog-of-death.blogspot.com) kids or like Jeff Hall's kids!

the father and husband must be the absolute master of his house.....his wife and children must defer to him in all matters.....his word must be LAW...brooking NO DISSENT wtf-so-ever.....and, if necessary, this must be enforced, after the old Roman model of the pater familias ........  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pater_familias (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pater_familias) ....... by, when required and if necessary, the application of severe disciplinary action!

NO OTHER WAY that the White Race will survive!....we've got to SPEW OUT the jew toxin of all forms of "feminist" thinking like so much vile, rotten poison!....there can be NO PLACE wtf-so-ever for it in the New White Imperium!  &:(

an "idea" is just an idea......a revolution is an idea with bayonets!....Napoleon



cheers!

(Jimbo)

From that article, the father as priest:

QuoteThe domestic responsibilities of the pater familias included his priestly duties (sacra familiae) to his "household gods" (the lares and penates) and the ancestral gods of his own gens. The latter were represented by the di parentes as ancestral shades of the departed, and by the genius cult. Genius has been interpreted as the essential, heritable spirit (or divine essence, or soul) and generative power that suffused the gens and each of its members. As the singular, lawful head of a family derived from a gens, the pater familias embodied and expressed its genius through his pious fulfillment of ancestral obligations. The pater familias was therefore owed a reciprocal duty of genius cult by his entire familia. He in his turn conferred genius and the duty of sacra familiae to his children – whether by blood or by adoption.

Roman religious law defined the religious rites of familia as sacra privata (funded by the familia rather than the state) and "unofficial" (not a rite of state office or magistracy, though the state pontifices and censor might intervene if the observation of sacra privata was lax or improper. The responsibility for funding and executing sacra privata therefore fell to the head of the household and no other. As well as observance of common rites and festivals (including those marked by domestic rites), each family had its own unique internal religious calendar – marking the formal acceptance of infant children, coming of age, marriages, deaths and burials. In rural estates, the entire familia would gather to offer sacrifice(s) to the gods for the protection and fertility of fields and livestock. All such festivals and offerings were presided over by the pater familias.

I will be attending a Russian wedding in several weeks time. I cannot wait because I know that perhaps there may be zero Russian Creators there, I will be at least in the company of good Russian people who can talk shop, so to speak. Every Russian that I have ever had the opportunity to speak with has engaged me in a conversation lasting hours and ultimately leading to the subject of the jews. Take a chance Brothers and Sisters! Chat up any White that you suspect may be from Russia or Eastern Europe. They know what's going on, they are highly educated (yes probably more so than you my fellow American Creators), and most importantly they are willing to do the work. They want a good life here and they deserve it as all Whites do. Be bold! I overheard a Russian fellow about my age complaining to a shopkeeper about how the jews ransacked his country after Gorbachev. I approached him outside the shop and we talked for about three hours. He wasn't interested in our Church (or any church for that matter) but we talked about the Protocols and such. I felt that at least I had found a kindred although not perhap yet a fellow Creator.
I agree wholeheartedly with the assertions that Russia is very important to Creativity. Look at what our Russian Brothers and Sisters accomplish without any input from us. They DO, not just talk. By the way, if anyone can get me one of those great kerchiefs and armbands please let me know!