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I would like to make an brief introduction to thank Rev Hogue who originally posted a thread on VNN about Julius Caesar being the historical Jesus. I can never thank him enough for opening my eyes.

The research was done by Francesco Carotta, and in 1999 he presented his theory of the Caesarian origins of Christianity in a book titled "Jesus was Caesar". The story came out in a German newspaper in 1959, so this was also probably known in small circles throughout the history of the church.

I can offer a brief description..

In the time of the late Republic there was corruption that was similar to what we have today. There was all types of land swindles, endless wars for profit, and usury. It seems that the Jews had made an alliance with certain Roman families to secure their wealth and power, and they along with the Jews would later be infamously known as the 'moneychangers'..

After Caesar defeated the Gauls, he marched on Rome and shut down the interest bearing lending houses. He made land reforms where he took the land owned by the Senators and gave it to the people. All of this was probably nothing new with a just King as Caesar. But what made Caesar historically distinct from previous Kings was his policy of clemency. He forgave his enemies and gave them positions of authority.

The Senate of course were outraged and humiliated, so they plotted to kill Caesar. They felt they could get away with this by lying to the people since it had worked many times before..On the 15th of March 44BC Caesar was lured into the Pompey Theater, and betrayed by his adoptive son Marcus Junius Brutus who was the last to deliver the final thrust of his sword killing Rome's Savior.

It has been said that the Senators spat, screamed, and mocked Caesar in such a frenzy that they stabbed one another. After the assassination they immediately fled. Three of Caesars servants carried him out of the theater and put him into the arms of his his wife Calpurnia who cried out.. " The Pity".

The great Renaissance artist MichelAngelo would later sculpt the image of the Blessed Mother Mary holding Jesus in her arms after he was taken off the cross. This famous sculpture named "La Pieta" is displayed inside of the Vatican today and many are sold as souvenirs.

Francesco Carotta points out that no where in the Bible is that scene mentioned, but in reality it was Caesar and Calpurnia who were later changed to Jesus and Mary his mother. Carotta goes on to show that many characters in the Bible were actually Romans whose identities were changed, like Brutus would later become Judas and so forth.

Carotta also explains that the cross or crucifix was originally a Tropaeum which was a cross that the Romans put up in the battlefield as a sign of victory over their enemies. They also put the battle gear of the vanquished on the Tropaeum and offered it to the Roman Goddess Victoria which means 'Victory'. This symbol is still prominent in the roof of churches that were built with Roman architecture.

Of course there is more to this, but I believe this because it makes sense. I had my doubts about the church and wanted answers but didn't know where to turn. I thought years before I found Carotta's work that Jesus was probably a Roman Senator. I was close..this also means that we now know for a fact (I'll speak for myself) that Jesus is an allegorical figure who represented the Emperors and the Christian Kings.

When one concludes this theory as historical fact they then should look for the reason why Jesus was created.

http://www.carotta.de/eindex.html



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The great Renaissance artist MichelAngelo would later sculpt the image of the Blessed Mother Mary holding Jesus in her arms after he was taken off the cross. This famous sculpture named "La Pieta" is displayed inside of the Vatican today and many are sold as souvenirs.




Oh yeah , 8) that ! .. and an Australian guy went crazy and smashed it up once  ;D ! The Bible says to destroy Idols.. that guy really went to work on it! He thought he was Jesus.. I guess he hated competition?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laszlo_Toth

Quote from: WikipediaToth, wielding a geologist's hammer and shouting, "I am Jesus Christ — risen from the dead", attacked the statue, with fifteen blows removed Mary's arm at the elbow, knocked off a chunk of her nose, and chipped one of her eyelids. Toth was subdued by bystanders, including American sculptor Bob Cassilly, who was the first person to pull him away from The Pietà.

He was never charged with the crime, in view of his apparent insanity. On 29 January 1973, he was committed to an Italian psychiatric hospital. He was released on 9 February 1975, and was immediately deported to Australia where he had studied prior to the attack; Australian authorities did not detain him. He resides in a nursing home in Strathfield, NSW, Australia.
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I know Carrotta's (in my opinion) proven theory quite well. I was the one who introduced Reverend Hogue to it some years ago. Until then he, and I beforehand stuck with the argument that Jesus Never Existed. We still do to a certain extent, but for the more intelligent person, we go that extra step and make sure to inform them that the unholy New Testament of the Christinsane Babel was a mistranslation of Caesar's own text on the Roman Civil War and his eventual death.

Quote from: John52 on Wed 31 Jul 2013
When one concludes this theory as historical fact they then should look for the reason why Jesus was created.

That answer to that is simple politics: The Jew of that age was militant and revolting ... following a new messiah every day ... following anyone who wanted to preach and fight the Romans, so the Romans took their own Cult of the Divine Julius, turned it into a pacifistic religion and shipped it off to the Jew ... who of course rejected it in favour of Militant Judaism and shipped it back to Rome - where the original Cult of the Divine Julius eventually succumbed to Christinsanity. And so the Empire and civilisation along with Rome fell, bringing on a thousand years of Darkness - aka the Dark Ages.

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Quote from: Br.IanVonTurpie on Wed 31 Jul 2013Oh yeah ,  that ! .. and an Australian guy went crazy and smashed it up once   ! The Bible says to destroy Idols.. that guy really went to work on it! He thought he was Jesus.. I guess he hated competition?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laszlo_Toth


Thanks for the link Br VonTurpie, but why wasn't Toth arrested? seems a little strange  (???) doesn't it? but yet he spent two years in an Italian hospital..

But since you brought up Toth and Idolatry, I would just like to point out that a physical object like a statue has less to do with Idolatry than the belief in a false character. There is really nothing wrong with a religious icon as long it is understood in its proper context.

True Idolatry would be likened to our Modern day Christians who believe the Jews are G-ds chosen people without even knowing them. There is also the literal belief in Jesus, that he can walk on water etc..That would be Idolatry, or putting the persona before the Life Force.

So in my view Idolatry is basically how we view a persona of a religion. The one who commits Idolatry would be the one who doesn't understand who the characters actually were. That's when we cross the line and start believing in imaginary beings who never existed. That's when it's a problem, but for example.....I believe this would be a healthy state of mind in regards to religion.. 

"I see what Caesar has done and have a great amount of reverence for him noting that he has followed the positive part of the Life Force and not the dark force which brings death. I don't pray to him, but I revere him and follow him only because he followed the Life Force or what we call 'God'. I can also follow the Life Force without Caesar but since his actions benefited many people I revere him and recall his name"

..Getting back to Toth, now he didn't actually enlighten anyone by striking a few physical blows to a statue, or did he? Maybe he should have tried telling people that Mary was Calpurnia and Jesus was Caesar? or maybe he did and it never got reported..(?) I don't know..

But anyway, the young woman in LaPieta 'The Pity' is actually Calpurnia, Caesars very young wife holding him after he was assassinated. She was allegedly sixteen years old when she married Caesar while he was in his early fifties.

The anomaly screams at its viewer in Michelangelo making Mary so young that she couldn't be the mother of a middle aged son that was just crucified. The unusually young Mary gives it all away, although excuses are in the ready by the ignorant.


Carotta makes a valid point about Mary being younger than her son, so how could ones mother be younger than oneself?  It seems Michelangelo among others knew about Caesar and put out the clue.

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Speaking of idolatry, one need look no further than the entertainment industry for a plethora of pure idolatry. Politics tell us that the Jew would not accept a Roman man as a god, so Roman JC became Jewish JC ....

Quote from: John52 on Fri 02 Aug 2013Carotta makes a valid point about Mary being younger than her son, so how could ones mother be younger than oneself?  It seems Michelangelo among others knew about Caesar and put out the clue.

It's part of the Michelangelo Code ... Answers for which are surely hidden in the secret Vatican library. So who knows what artists through the ages working directly for the Catholic Church have seen and knew. After reading Carotta, nothing would surprise me anymore with that mob of heretics against reality.

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I personally knew toth.. i knew him before the hammer incident (a long story), he was as mad as a hatter .
88 ''And the Jew's ... They Squealed like Geese'' 88

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There is a historical process called syncretism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syncretism ...

Whereby belief systems that coexist gradually merge. For example christian churches being built on pagan sites with Yew trees and having gargoyles. (The pagans decorated their sacred buildings with severed heads). Or incorporating pagan traditions such as the Christian hijacking of Roman Saturnalia as christmas and pagan "Eostre" as easter.

Creators have to beware of any adulteration of their own Credo, we don't want to  end up merging with odinism/ christian identity etc though there is a strong pull to incorporate things like Hitler worship etc. We just have to stay objective, scientific and rational. Give credit where it is due and criticism where it is due. e.g The catholic church has good organisation but its beliefs are nonsense. Hitler was a great white leader but made many mistakes. Islam is admirable in many ways such as jihad and the dedication of its followers but is essentially  a mud empire.

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QuoteI know Carrotta's (in my opinion) proven theory quite well. I was the one who introduced Reverend Hogue to it some years ago. Until then he, and I beforehand stuck with the argument that Jesus never existed. We still do to a certain extent, but for the more intelligent person, we go that extra step and make sure to inform them that the unholy New Testament of the Christinsane Babel was a mistranslation of Caesar's own text on the Roman Civil War and his eventual death.

Or, Caesar wrote the original Bible? Either way, I want to thank you for enlightening Rev Hogue which passed to me. It was an answer I was seeking for some time.

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Quote from: John52 on Mon 05 Aug 2013I want to thank you for enlightening Rev Hogue which passed to me. It was an answer I was seeking for some time.

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Quote from: John52 on Fri 02 Aug 2013
But since you brought up Toth and Idolatry, I would just like to point out that a physical object like a statue has less to do with Idolatry than the belief in a false character. There is really nothing wrong with a religious icon as long it is understood in its proper context.

True Idolatry would be likened to our Modern day Christians who believe the Jews are G-ds chosen people without even knowing them. There is also the literal belief in Jesus, that he can walk on water etc..That would be Idolatry, or putting the persona before the Life Force.

So in my view Idolatry is basically how we view a persona of a religion. The one who commits Idolatry would be the one who doesn't understand who the characters actually were. That's when we cross the line and start believing in imaginary beings who never existed. That's when it's a problem, but for example.....I believe this would be a healthy state of mind in regards to religion.. 



Well you see Catholics are commonly accused of worshipping Idols as they say "heil Mary's" these are prayers directed to Mary. The Bible doesn't say to worship Mary, it says to worship God and Jesus. Many Catholics have idols like crucifix pendents that they believe will bring them good luck and rosary beads etc.This is worshiping an idol.

Then there are these clowns that see "Mary" in the form of salt damp on a church .. or they found a potato chip that looks like her.. or some silly apparition... and they all go down to observe this "magic salt damp on the church wall" and say prayers to it. This is Idolatory.

Many Christians feel the Catholic church is all about traditionalism and they don't follow the Bible by the book, they believe they are Idiolators if anyone doesn't worship God or Jesus and no body but them.. that simple. If you don't worship God or Jesus they think you are born in "original sin" due to Adam and Eve being corrupted by demons.. and you can't take your sins to heaven as you have to be "born again" and Accept Jesus as your saviour.

If you try and talk about things like Pyramid power, aincient buildings and things like crystal healing or Pyramid power they instantly don't see these things as sciences.. they say these are people who are possessed by demons.

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Jesus Christ Was Invented By The Romans To Quash Rebellion

Andrew Berry | International Business Times | October 09 2013

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An American self-described Bible scholar says he has discovered evidence that the story of Jesus Christ was invented by the Romans. According to a http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm press release, Joseph Atwill will present his findings at a symposium in London on Oct. 19 called "Covert Messiah," where he will delve into how the New Testament and Jesus Christ was fabricated by first-century Roman rulers in an effort to pacify subjects of the empire.

In his press release, Atwill says he doesn't want to "harm" Christianity, but calls his claimed discovery "important" for society as a whole. "Alert citizens need to know the truth about our past so we can understand how and why governments create false histories and false gods," he writes. "They often do it to obtain a social order that is against the best interests of the common people."

Atwill says the Romans resorted to a "psychological warfare" when they created the story of a Messiah in order to quell Jewish sects who had started to rebel.

"Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century," he writes. "When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That's when the 'peaceful' Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to 'give onto Caesar' and pay their taxes to Rome."

Jesus Christ never existed, Atwill maintains. "In fact he may be the only fictional character in literature whose entire life story can be traced to other sources. Once those sources are all laid bare, there's simply nothing left."

Atwill said he had his "eureka" moment when he was compared "War of the Jews" by Flavius Josephus -- which is the only remaining first-person account of first-century Judea -- with the New Testament. "I started to notice a sequence of parallels between the two texts," he says. "Although it's been recognized by Christian scholars for centuries that the prophecies of Jesus appear to be fulfilled by what Josephus wrote about in the First Jewish-Roman War, I was seeing dozens more. What seems to have eluded many scholars is that the sequence of events and locations of Jesus' ministry are more or less the same as the sequence of events and locations of the military campaign of Titus Flavius [later emperor] as described by Josephus. This is clear evidence of a deliberately constructed pattern. The biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar."

While it would seem strange that such a discovery would only be made after 2,000 years, Atwill says many of the parallel traits between the two texts are "conceptual or poetic," so they wouldn't have been obvious to the casual reader. "The authors did not want the average believer to see what they were doing, but they did want the alert reader to see it," he says. "An educated Roman in the ruling class would probably have recognized the literary game being played."

"The Roman Caesars left us a kind of puzzle literature that was meant to be solved by future generations, and the solution to that puzzle is 'We invented Jesus Christ, and we're proud of it,'" Atwill adds.

Atwill acknowledges that his findings probably won't bring about the end of Christianity as we know it, but it allows doubters to "make a clean break" from the religion. "We've got the evidence now to show exactly where the story of Jesus came from," he asserts. "Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history. To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East."

Atwill will discuss his controversial theory of Jesus being invented by the Romans when he speaks at Conway Hall in London on Oct. 19. There will be a Q&A session after his presentation.







http://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm

Atwill encourages skeptics to challenge him at Conway Hall, where after the presentations there is likely to be a lively Q&A session. Joining Mr.Atwill will be fellow scholar Kenneth Humphreys, author of the book "Jesus Never Existed."

Further information can be found at http://www.covertmessiah.com

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Another article backing the Caesar titus/ jesus theory
http://guardianlv.com/2013/10/jesus-was-made-up/


The thing is we all know it was the Jews of the Essene sect that originated Christianity, concocted it and distilled it as a deadly mind poison. A jew egg, A brain bomb. These articles trying to blame the Romans is a deflection, fog and smoke, because the Credo of Creativity is getting through. It is only a matter of time before the whole jewish-christian conspiracy is mainstream thought.
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Actually, once the Jesus/Caesar revelation sunk in, I got curious as to the why, which was something that Carotta never answered. My conclusion - and to me it was totally obvious - was that it was a political ploy by the Romans to control the revolting Jew and keep peace in the empire. It of course backfired as the Jew in return used it as a method of co-opting the slaves of the empire into their planned destruction of the Roman race and way of life - which is why Christinsanity was ignored in the Jewish segments of the empire while vigorously put down in the non-Jewish segments of the empire.

Well, that was my conclusion, and it looks like Atwill has proven me correct. However, even Atwill doesn't take the next and logical step and point the finger at the Jew. He instead joins with the Jew to lambaste the Romans, turning the ever scheming Jew into the all-time ultimate victim. But I do see that logical next step being taken by people in general as Creativity spreads throughout the White World, and righteous anger against the scheming Jew takes the place of that impious pity of Christinsanity.

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Full Video: CAESAR'S MESSIAH: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus



Seven of today's most controversial Bible scholars reveal their shocking conclusions about the origins of Christianity. Based on the best-selling religious studies book by Joseph Atwill, this documentary shows that Jesus is not a historical figure, the events of Jesus' life were based on a Roman military campaign, his supposed second coming refers to a historical event that already occurred, the teachings of Christ came from the ancient pagan mystery schools, and the Gospels were written by a family of Caesars and their supporters, who left us documents to prove it.

Dissecting the history and literature of this time, the scholars show that the Gospels are a sophisticated pro-Roman multi-layered allegorical text that could not have been written by simple Jewish fishermen. Noting that the history officially provided by the Church does not hold up to rigorous scrutiny, the scholars agree that Christianity was used as a political tool to control the masses of the day, and is still being used this way today.

Much like the ancient era from which Christianity emerged, we are currently on the brink of an immense paradigm shift, and studying this history can help us understand modern-day politics, and give us the much-needed perspective for coming up with solutions to today's problems, in order to create the better world that we envision.

Featured scholars are Joseph Atwill, Robert Eisenman, John Hudson, Kenneth Humphreys, Rod Blackhirst, Acharya S / D.M. Murdock, and Timothy Freke.   
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Written by Nijole Sparkis and Joseph Atwill
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Full video on YouTube above/in the previous post.


Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus




Marketing the Messiah


Synopsis
How much do you *really* know about how Christianity got started? Whether you are a Christian, atheist, or member of another faith, it's impossible to ignore the impact that Christianity has had on Western civilization. But most people, including many Christians, don't have a solid grasp of the history of early Christianity - even though it's hinted at in the New Testament.

Anything the Christians hate is likely quite good.
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Creating Christ - On Tubi - Watch for Free

Religious fanatics from the Middle East have begun an all-out assault on western civilization, taking their terrorism to the very capitals of foreign "decadence" in a destructive rampage characterized by religious hostility and xenophobia.

The year is 66 CE and the world is experiencing a bloody religious conflict eerily similar to today...

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QUOTE: "Christianity is for the ruled, but not the rulers."

Creativity is for the Rulers
The White Race ~ And the White Race Alone.
This Is RaHoWa!

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What is good for the White Race is of the Highest Virtue;
What is bad for the White Race is the Ultimate Sin.



Get With Creativity ~ Or Get on Your Knees!
Delenda est Christard

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Quote from: Albert on Sat 12 Oct 2013The thing is we all know it was the Jews of the Essene sect that originated Christianity, concocted it and distilled it as a deadly mind poison. A jew egg, A brain bomb. These articles trying to blame the Romans is a deflection, fog and smoke, because the Credo of Creativity is getting through. It is only a matter of time before the whole jewish-christian conspiracy is mainstream thought.
- Yeah Albert, that's what I thought too reading this!

Quote from: Rev.Cambeul on Sat 12 Oct 2013Actually, once the Jesus/Caesar revelation sunk in, I got curious as to the why, which was something that Carotta never answered. My conclusion - and to me it was totally obvious - was that it was a political ploy by the Romans to control the revolting Jew and keep peace in the empire. It of course backfired as the Jew in return used it as a method of co-opting the slaves of the empire into their planned destruction of the Roman race and way of life - which is why Christinsanity was ignored in the Jewish segments of the empire while vigorously put down in the non-Jewish segments of the empire.

Well, that was my conclusion, and it looks like Atwill has proven me correct. However, even Atwill doesn't take the next and logical step and point the finger at the Jew. He instead joins with the Jew to lambaste the Romans, turning the ever scheming Jew into the all-time ultimate victim. But I do see that logical next step being taken by people in general as Creativity spreads throughout the White World, and righteous anger against the scheming Jew takes the place of that impious pity of Christinsanity.

This thing about "Jesus Christ Was Invented By The Romans To Quash Rebellion" reminds me of that George Michael COTC-book. In the "Theology of Hate: A History of the World Church of the Creator" the author writes that a Dutch researcher named This Voskuilen theorized that Paul was a Roman agent who attempted to proffer Christianity to the Jews and thus deflect their temporal political activities to otherwordly aspirations.

I'm getting a bit confused. Are you saying that you believe this theory or something similar is true, and that Klassen was wrong/has bene found out to be wrong? Just for clarity, please explain so people reading don't get confused and don't know what you are getting at here, at it seems to go contrary to Klassen's teachings in NER - or maybe I'm misinterpreting what you are writing.

Ben Klassen writes in NER like Albert wrote and as we know of course that the Essenes - a Jewish suicide cult basically, like the ones we read about who decide to collectively take their lives only they did it in a more round-about way and believed in things that would lead to suicide of a group that followed those teachings - basically were the first Christians, and that the Jew Saul of Tarsus first persecuted these Essenes because he didn't want other Jews to become mentally infected and have their brains polluted with these objectively false, anti-natural, suicidal teachings. But then he got the brilliant idea to instead pawn of their suicide teachings to the Romans to weaken them and enter a devolution and destruction path where they become like unthinking zombie slaves with stone-age superstitions praising a fictitious demented Jewish God called Christ. So basically Christianity came from the Jewish Essenes, from the Jews.

But I get the impression reading some posts at this thread that somebody here or other people/researchers believe that Christianity and/or Christ came from/originated with Romans or the Roman power structure instead, that they came up with the idea and tried to sell it to the Jews to quell their militant nature and make them peaceful wimps (NOT the other way around, i.e. the Jews trying to make the White Romans less militant and warlike to subjugate them, which is what Klassen wrote in NER.) Klassen writes of course that Jews sold the Essence teachings to the Romans, that they invented/fabricated Jesus Christ out of nothing (or did they base it on Julius Ceasar, is that what you're/others are saying now?) as yet another one of history's religious crucified savior/religious head and called it/repackaged it as Christ-ianity instead of Essenism. My question is: Didn't the Jews get it from the Essenes, not from Romans trying to sell them the Jews something first?

I just became confused trying to figure out exactly what you are writing in this thread. Are you/others saying that Klassen's theory is incorrect, that it wasn't Essenism that was the main teaching Christianity was based on but Roman teachings, and that the Jews such as Saul of Tarsus like Eli Ravage wrote and boasted about how they fooled the Romans with this brain cancer were factually and historically wrong, or only/and that they the Jews didn't create circumcized Jew-God Jesus Christ and sold that poisonous mental Jew-crap to the Romans, but actually the Romans invented it first and tried to sell it to the Jews but they rejected it but they then got the brilliant idea to humble the Romans with it instead and starting selling this Roman suicide teachings to them instead like crazy raving maniacs with propagandizing this to the max to make them into crazy raving Christian maniacs? What about the Essene teaching then, how does it fit into this picture?

I just get confused trying to figure out what you mean, is there conflicting theories here, if anyone could clarify, I thought Klassen got it right and it's like I've described about the Jewish Essenes beign the teachings Christianity came from (not anything Roman, I mean you can sense that it's foreign and Jewish and manipulative and repulsive in nature and makes you sick to your stomach with Jewish ideologies like Christianity and Communism etc, Christianity isn't Roman/White it's typically Jewish) and that Jewsus (maybe that's what we should call Jesus instead - "Jewsus" - Mr. Jew-Suspicious!) was invented by Jews (not Romans). What Klassen wrote seems logical.

Maybe the Jews thought the Romans could be conquered if they looked up to and followed Christ(-Crazianity) instead of/like they followed Roman Empire Leaders like Julius Ceasar, that the Roman Emperor and this world and their country got switched in their mind from being the Highest Leader and Teacher of Roman Righteousness and that the afterworld and no country was what mattered - to a new Jewish God that was even greater supposedly and he taught that basically "don't think, don't work, don't be like a White person, be like the weakest and self-destructive and pervertive and parasitic of us Jews. I promise, it will turn out good for you and do wonders for your self-esteem!"

I can buy that theory, but how or why would the militant strong Romans suddenly create an Essene-like typical Jewish creed-like creed, did they create a duplicate of that and Klassen was wrong in pinpointing the Jewish Essenes and Essenism was underlying teaching for Christianity and Christ being an Jewish invention?
English is my second language.

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Quote from: LeaderlessResistanceMedia on Sat 17 Feb 2024This thing about "Jesus Christ Was Invented By The Romans To Quash Rebellion" reminds me of that George Michael COTC-book. In the "Theology of Hate: A History of the World Church of the Creator" the author writes that a Dutch researcher named This Voskuilen theorized that Paul was a Roman agent who attempted to proffer Christianity to the Jews and thus deflect their temporal political activities to otherwordly aspirations.

I'm getting a bit confused. Are you saying that you believe this theory or something similar is true, and that Klassen was wrong/has bene found out to be wrong? Just for clarity, please explain so people reading don't get confused and don't know what you are getting at here, at it seems to go contrary to Klassen's teachings in NER - or maybe I'm misinterpreting what you are writing.

As we find out more of history, our beliefs change/evolve. That's just a part of the nature of life. So what do I think/believe today?

* The Jews of the Essene came up with the suicidal peace cult that became known as Christianity.

* The Romans had problems with the revolting Jews, and were adept at taking and manipulating religions in order to pacify the worshippers. Usually this technique began with Roman shrines dedicated to dual deities Roman and Otherwise constructed on non-Roman holy ground. The shrine begins as a Roman shrine to the non-Roman deity, and over time morphs into a totally Roman shrine/temple under the control of the Roman state. The worshippers are now totally Romanised.

* The Jew does not follow non-Jewish religions. So what religion does the Jew have that fits the Roman purpose to pacify the revolting Jew? Look to the Essenes.

* Then there are two streams of thought: One that the Cult of Julius Caesar automatically morphed into Christianity due to misinterpretation due to linguistic differences. And the other that about seventy years later, the Romans used the Essene's proto-Christianity to create the slave religion that they believed would pacify the revolting Jew. There's enough evidence that the truth is a blend of both and more.

So, which do I believe? I don't believe either. I am a CREATOR that is open to the logical revisionism of history - which looks more factual than any impregnated virgin, wise men following travelling stars, a magician doing some conjuring tricks and the eventual risen spook. So, in summary ...

* The Essenes came up with what became Christianity.

* The Romans appear to have latched onto Christianity in order to pacify the revolting Jew and failed.

* The Jew had control of Christianity from Day 1, and used it as a tool against the Romans themselves, thereby bringing an end to the mighty Roman civilisation.

That does not take from Founder Klassen's explanations on the origins of Christinsanity. It merely adds another debatable aspect to the history, while confirming that Klassen Was Right!

I cannot tell you how or what to think. It's up to you to decide for yourself. However, you should consider that Founder Klassen understood the flow of history and how any number of immutable historical facts could be revised upon a single new discovery. Every CREATOR understands that CREATIVITY is not a dogma that denies Logic, Science and History. Therefore you now have to ask yourself: What Would Klassen Do?


The purpose of every CREATOR is to undermine JEWISH CHRISTINSANITY, and to advance WHITE CREATIVITY. We use this topic to throw logical but conflicting but similar theories at Christians, and wait to see what sticks.

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