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Julius Caesar was Jesus Christ
« on: 31 July 2013 at 08:29 »
I would like to make an brief introduction to thank Rev Hogue who originally posted a thread on VNN about Julius Caesar being the historical Jesus. I can never thank him enough for opening my eyes.

The research was done by Francesco Carotta, and in 1999 he presented his theory of the Caesarian origins of Christianity in a book titled "Jesus was Caesar". The story came out in a German newspaper in 1959, so this was also probably known in small circles throughout the history of the church.

I can offer a brief description..

In the time of the late Republic there was corruption that was similar to what we have today. There was all types of land swindles, endless wars for profit, and usury. It seems that the Jews had made an alliance with certain Roman families to secure their wealth and power, and they along with the Jews would later be infamously known as the 'moneychangers'..

After Caesar defeated the Gauls, he marched on Rome and shut down the interest bearing lending houses. He made land reforms where he took the land owned by the Senators and gave it to the people. All of this was probably nothing new with a just King as Caesar. But what made Caesar historically distinct from previous Kings was his policy of clemency. He forgave his enemies and gave them positions of authority.

The Senate of course were outraged and humiliated, so they plotted to kill Caesar. They felt they could get away with this by lying to the people since it had worked many times before..On the 15th of March 44BC Caesar was lured into the Pompey Theater, and betrayed by his adoptive son Marcus Junius Brutus who was the last to deliver the final thrust of his sword killing Rome's Savior.

It has been said that the Senators spat, screamed, and mocked Caesar in such a frenzy that they stabbed one another. After the assassination they immediately fled. Three of Caesars servants carried him out of the theater and put him into the arms of his his wife Calpurnia who cried out.. " The Pity".

The great Renaissance artist MichelAngelo would later sculpt the image of the Blessed Mother Mary holding Jesus in her arms after he was taken off the cross. This famous sculpture named "La Pieta" is displayed inside of the Vatican today and many are sold as souvenirs.

Francesco Carotta points out that no where in the Bible is that scene mentioned, but in reality it was Caesar and Calpurnia who were later changed to Jesus and Mary his mother. Carotta goes on to show that many characters in the Bible were actually Romans whose identities were changed, like Brutus would later become Judas and so forth.

Carotta also explains that the cross or crucifix was originally a Tropaeum which was a cross that the Romans put up in the battlefield as a sign of victory over their enemies. They also put the battle gear of the vanquished on the Tropaeum and offered it to the Roman Goddess Victoria which means 'Victory'. This symbol is still prominent in the roof of churches that were built with Roman architecture.

Of course there is more to this, but I believe this because it makes sense. I had my doubts about the church and wanted answers but didn't know where to turn. I thought years before I found Carotta's work that Jesus was probably a Roman Senator. I was close..this also means that we now know for a fact (I'll speak for myself) that Jesus is an allegorical figure who represented the Emperors and the Christian Kings.

When one concludes this theory as historical fact they then should look for the reason why Jesus was created.

http://www.carotta.de/eindex.html








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Re: Julius Caesar was Jesus Christ
« Reply #1 on: 31 July 2013 at 11:57 »
The great Renaissance artist MichelAngelo would later sculpt the image of the Blessed Mother Mary holding Jesus in her arms after he was taken off the cross. This famous sculpture named "La Pieta" is displayed inside of the Vatican today and many are sold as souvenirs.



Oh yeah , 8) that ! .. and an Australian guy went crazy and smashed it up once  ;D ! The Bible says to destroy Idols.. that guy really went to work on it! He thought he was Jesus.. I guess he hated competition?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laszlo_Toth

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Toth, wielding a geologist's hammer and shouting, "I am Jesus Christ — risen from the dead", attacked the statue, with fifteen blows removed Mary's arm at the elbow, knocked off a chunk of her nose, and chipped one of her eyelids. Toth was subdued by bystanders, including American sculptor Bob Cassilly, who was the first person to pull him away from The Pietà.

 He was never charged with the crime, in view of his apparent insanity. On 29 January 1973, he was committed to an Italian psychiatric hospital. He was released on 9 February 1975, and was immediately deported to Australia where he had studied prior to the attack; Australian authorities did not detain him. He resides in a nursing home in Strathfield, NSW, Australia.
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Re: Julius Caesar was Jesus Christ
« Reply #2 on: 31 July 2013 at 22:36 »
I know Carrotta's (in my opinion) proven theory quite well. I was the one who introduced Reverend Hogue to it some years ago. Until then he, and I beforehand stuck with the argument that Jesus Never Existed. We still do to a certain extent, but for the more intelligent person, we go that extra step and make sure to inform them that the unholy New Testament of the Christinsane Babel was a mistranslation of Caesar's own text on the Roman Civil War and his eventual death.

When one concludes this theory as historical fact they then should look for the reason why Jesus was created.

That answer to that is simple politics: The Jew of that age was militant and revolting ... following a new messiah every day ... following anyone who wanted to preach and fight the Romans, so the Romans took their own Cult of the Divine Julius, turned it into a pacifistic religion and shipped it off to the Jew ... who of course rejected it in favour of Militant Judaism and shipped it back to Rome - where the original Cult of the Divine Julius eventually succumbed to Christinsanity. And so the Empire and civilisation along with Rome fell, bringing on a thousand years of Darkness - aka the Dark Ages.

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Oh yeah ,  that ! .. and an Australian guy went crazy and smashed it up once   ! The Bible says to destroy Idols.. that guy really went to work on it! He thought he was Jesus.. I guess he hated competition?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laszlo_Toth


Thanks for the link Br VonTurpie, but why wasn't Toth arrested? seems a little strange  (???) doesn't it? but yet he spent two years in an Italian hospital..

But since you brought up Toth and Idolatry, I would just like to point out that a physical object like a statue has less to do with Idolatry than the belief in a false character. There is really nothing wrong with a religious icon as long it is understood in its proper context.

True Idolatry would be likened to our Modern day Christians who believe the Jews are G-ds chosen people without even knowing them. There is also the literal belief in Jesus, that he can walk on water etc..That would be Idolatry, or putting the persona before the Life Force.

So in my view Idolatry is basically how we view a persona of a religion. The one who commits Idolatry would be the one who doesn't understand who the characters actually were. That's when we cross the line and start believing in imaginary beings who never existed. That's when it's a problem, but for example.....I believe this would be a healthy state of mind in regards to religion.. 

"I see what Caesar has done and have a great amount of reverence for him noting that he has followed the positive part of the Life Force and not the dark force which brings death. I don't pray to him, but I revere him and follow him only because he followed the Life Force or what we call 'God'. I can also follow the Life Force without Caesar but since his actions benefited many people I revere him and recall his name"

..Getting back to Toth, now he didn't actually enlighten anyone by striking a few physical blows to a statue, or did he? Maybe he should have tried telling people that Mary was Calpurnia and Jesus was Caesar? or maybe he did and it never got reported..(?) I don't know..

But anyway, the young woman in LaPieta 'The Pity' is actually Calpurnia, Caesars very young wife holding him after he was assassinated. She was allegedly sixteen years old when she married Caesar while he was in his early fifties.

The anomaly screams at its viewer in Michelangelo making Mary so young that she couldn't be the mother of a middle aged son that was just crucified. The unusually young Mary gives it all away, although excuses are in the ready by the ignorant.


Carotta makes a valid point about Mary being younger than her son, so how could ones mother be younger than oneself?  It seems Michelangelo among others knew about Caesar and put out the clue.

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Re: Julius Caesar was Jesus Christ
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Speaking of idolatry, one need look no further than the entertainment industry for a plethora of pure idolatry. Politics tell us that the Jew would not accept a Roman man as a god, so Roman JC became Jewish JC ....

Carotta makes a valid point about Mary being younger than her son, so how could ones mother be younger than oneself?  It seems Michelangelo among others knew about Caesar and put out the clue.

It's part of the Michelangelo Code ... Answers for which are surely hidden in the secret Vatican library. So who knows what artists through the ages working directly for the Catholic Church have seen and knew. After reading Carotta, nothing would surprise me anymore with that mob of heretics against reality.

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